I hope my concerns are unfounded and these proposed changes are good for the game. Lots of beta testing please, because it's going to have a big impact on how the game was originally envisaged and designed. With luck, a good compromise has been reached here without altering the feel of the game too...

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Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:02 pm

I have not see nan answer to my question above about whether limiting push backs disadvantages successful flanking manoeuvres.

That is what we find out when we beta test the proposed change.

If a unit is pursuing, it says so in the unit card at the bottom of the screen when you mouse over the unit.

Ironically, I don't believe the original miniatures game had any push backs, for many of the reasons mentioned here. Actually, for none of the reasons mentioned here. The reason we abandoned it for the tabletop game is that it is possible in the tabletop game for units to be offset from each other....

The diagonal turn thing is obnoxious, though I don't see it too often. I suppose there is no simple fix for it. I think the proposed change is at least a mitigation for it. At least it means that the attacking units won't immediately push back the opposition and expose their flanks. (They may do so...

Although I like the current proposal, it will be yet another thing that advanced players can cudgel newbies with. If detailed combat reports are turned on, a player could make the calculation - well I lost one combat badly and got pushed back, so I have no danger of being pushed back in the next ro...

[...]Half a square - 100 paces[...] What is 1 pace in this game in meter? 0,75m ? It has deliberately been left vague. Especially as we don't know the exact modern equivalent of ancient measurements, so we cannot be sure exactly how much frontage each man occupied in the standard ancient formations...

Here is what I am currently planning to test in the next beta: First note that infantry "Push Backs" are in fact driven by "Fall Backs", which currently occur in infantry vs infantry combats every time a unit suffers a "lost badly" combat result. What makes it a "Push Back" rather than a "Fall Back"...

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Magersfontein 1899 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Magersfontein)

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Boer War
Magersfontein 1899 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Magersfontein)

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Boer War
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I'd much rather see diagonal push-backs happen at the second or 3rd push rather than no diagonal push-backs at all. If the push-backs don't happen diagonally at all it could and would be used in very gamey manner and it would just feel really inconsistent. If the push-backs happen at pushes 1-2-2-....

As an aside, is there a penalty to a unit that suffers a pushback result but can't retreat. I vaguely seem to remember an automatic morale drop from P&S if a unit could not fallback from a pushback? From reading this thread, it sounds like people are putting units directly behind the defensive fron...

As an aside, is there a penalty to a unit that suffers a pushback result but can't retreat. I vaguely seem to remember an automatic morale drop from P&S if a unit could not fallback from a pushback? From reading this thread, it sounds like people are putting units directly behind the defensive fron...

The 'pushback every second occasion' mechanic would have to be explained in the manual and ideally come up as a tooltip in tutorials, as a player who sees pushbacks sometimes appear to move the line back and sometimes not will be potentially baffled and possibly quite annoyed. I'd certainly have qu...

Melee being broken off after a couple of pushbacks is going to make Impact foot armies a hell of a lot more effective. You need to read further down the thread. The current proposal is that melee won't be broken off. Instead only every alternate "pushback" will actually move. (Simulating as closely...

A partial solution that would go a long way is that (infantry)units that "fall back" from a diagonal don't move a full grid back, they simply disengage and both units remain adjacent on the diagonal. I like this idea. I have no solution for the "tactic" of flipping a battle line on a diagonal becau...

First push-back followed by "half" push-backs sounds pretty good. @Ludendorf, Do you mean the attacker getting actually flanked or just getting attacked by multiple opponents from adjacent squares? I can't think of a way how you could go from straight line of battle to having unit getting properly ...

No-one is talking about "fall backs" where the unit that initiated the melee gets a bad result and disengages. That unit can be engaged by the enemy on the next turn as usual. We are talking about preventing push-backs that take the victorious unit out of contact with friendly units. In these situa...