Why no Swedish/swine-feathers for D&G Later Germans?

Moderators: Slitherine Core, FOGR Design

Post Reply
RonanTheLibrarian
Master Sergeant - Bf 109E
Master Sergeant - Bf 109E
Posts: 466
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:58 am

Why no Swedish/swine-feathers for D&G Later Germans?

Post by RonanTheLibrarian » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:52 am

Whilst researching the Bavarian army of the 1680-1700 period, I found two sources* which state that after pikemen were removed in 1686, and whilst the musketeers were still armed with plug bayonets, the infantry were equipped with swine-feathers (one of the books is about the Bavarian forces fighting in Piedmont/Savoy, so this was not merely for use on the Turkish front, as is suggested in the Austrian/Imperial lists). Each man carried an individual spear which, prior to action, was inserted into a wooden beam carried in the baggage wagons. The Brandenburg-Prussian, and Saxon-Polish armies all had similar arrangements, so this was not unique - yet none of these armies have these field defences available.

Anteil der bayrischen Armee an den Feldzügen in Piemont 1691 bis 1696. Bearbeitet von Leonhard Winkler.
Theil - Feldzugsjahr 1691

Die beiden Infanterieregimenter waren mit Schweinsfedern und Balken versehen, welche denselben auf Karren nachgefahren werden.
The two infantry regiments were equipped with swine-feathers and (wooden) bars/beams , which were in the regimental cart.

Das Heer des Blauen Königs 1682-1726, by Anton Hoffmann
Tafel 7: Pikenier bis 1686 - Hinweis auf den Zeitpunkt der Abschaffung der Pike in bayrischen Infanterieregimentern sowie unter Punkt B) Schweinsfedern - waren damals Ersatz für Pikendefensive
Plate 7: Pikeman, 1686.
Note on the date of the removal of the Pike in Bavarian infantry regiments, as well as in point B) swine-feathers were then substituted.
"No plan survives the first contact with the dice."

"There is something wrong with our bloody dice today!"

nikgaukroger
Field of Glory Moderator
Field of Glory Moderator
Posts: 10247
Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:30 am
Location: LarryWorld

Re: Why no Swedish/swine-feathers for D&G Later Germans?

Post by nikgaukroger » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:29 am

The advantages you can get by being able to read German when researching German armies :D

Feel free to use such in your games, its like the missing bayonets in the Austrian list of the period :shock:

Sad fact is that the Duty & Glory lists were some of the most rushed so there are inevitably mistakes that would have been avoided if more time had been available.
Nik Gaukroger

"Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does, he will tell you.
If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith

nikgaukroger@blueyonder.co.uk

quackstheking
1st Lieutenant - 15 cm sFH 18
1st Lieutenant - 15 cm sFH 18
Posts: 843
Joined: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:41 pm
Location: Hertfordshire, England

Re: Why no Swedish/swine-feathers for D&G Later Germans?

Post by quackstheking » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:23 am

If this is correct, should it not be added to the Errata for when it is next updated?

Don

nikgaukroger
Field of Glory Moderator
Field of Glory Moderator
Posts: 10247
Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:30 am
Location: LarryWorld

Re: Why no Swedish/swine-feathers for D&G Later Germans?

Post by nikgaukroger » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:02 pm

Its certainly an option and easy to do as, IIRC, there is already a line for the Saxons to have them so it'd just amend that (we try and avoid adding new lines via errata unless it is an egregious omission/error).
Nik Gaukroger

"Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does, he will tell you.
If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith

nikgaukroger@blueyonder.co.uk

RonanTheLibrarian
Master Sergeant - Bf 109E
Master Sergeant - Bf 109E
Posts: 466
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:58 am

Re: Why no Swedish/swine-feathers for D&G Later Germans?

Post by RonanTheLibrarian » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:22 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:.....there is already a line for the Saxons to have them.....
Sorry, I missed that option - probably didn't look at it as it said "Saxony only". :oops: :oops:

Thank you for agreeing the addendum.
"No plan survives the first contact with the dice."

"There is something wrong with our bloody dice today!"

hazelbark
General - Carrier
General - Carrier
Posts: 4957
Joined: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:53 pm
Location: Capital of the World !!

Re: Why no Swedish/swine-feathers for D&G Later Germans?

Post by hazelbark » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:57 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:Its certainly an option and easy to do as, IIRC, there is already a line for the Saxons to have them so it'd just amend that (we try and avoid adding new lines via errata unless it is an egregious omission/error).
This is a mistake. You should pick a date once or twice a year to put an errata out. At worst it suggest you care, even when some of us know you better than that. :twisted:

Post Reply

Return to “Army Design”