Panzer IVF vs T-34/40:
8SA, 7HA, 5 Initiative and 13! GD.
it's firing 7HA against 11 GD
The T-34/40 is firing it's 8 HA vs 13 GD
The higher GD makes the tank much more survivable in practice.
Given that Stukas mostly weaken the Russian tanks it often fares better than the Panzer III till the J/1 variant comes along.
I think they went too far in that direction actually but I do think the T34 could stand a buff, I was surprised that it had lower armor than the German panzers, even with it's vaunted "sloped armor" that it was renowned for, but there should be some representation of the intangibles that favored the Germans.
deducter wrote:In reality, it's more like 9 HA firing against 11 GD, and 8 HA vs 16 GD.
Longasc wrote:It's not only "PvE/PvP" to speak in MMO terms, we also have a third factor: historical accuracy
I tell you it doesn't need a deducter or Kerensky to destroy lots of T-34/41. While the Panzer III/IV balance and also the balance and historical portrayal of units in comparison to them is excellent I still think the T-34 doesn't get enough LOVE. The T-34 is a legend, give it some buff love.
The balance in general is there, it is just the IVF vs T-34/40 issue that causes some issues. And the fact that the T-34/41 comes fairly late.
What to do? Some minor changes for major effect!
Panzer IVF and G: -1 or -2 GD for both
T-34/40: +2 GD, +1HA
T-34/41: +2 GD, +1HA (+maybe some more in the 41 DLC)
T-34/43: +1 GD, +1HA
IVF defense down to 11, some other stats go up to compensate
Karl Ger at name change
Stuh 42 redesign
T34/40 and T34/41 +1 defense or maybe +2
Maybe deducter can tell us his assessment, but I got the impression the tank battles in the 40 DLC were tougher and more difficult than in the 41 DLC Russia.
Longasc wrote:Basically, +GD T34 and -GD Panzer IVF/G. The F-2 is already low enough with 10.
Deduct, I really didn't think the STUG was overpowered, it is quite useful, yes, but they still get slaughtered pretty easily by T-34s and even the light Soviet tanks seem like they can do a number on them. The amount of STUGs I went through in the campaign should speak to that. Do you have any particular experiences that stand out in making you think that they are overpowered? It is definitely a unique unit I will grant you, I don't think the Soviets or other nations have an analogous unit that I can think of.
charonjr wrote:Since historically only the 8.8 was reliably able to penetrate the T34 armor at combat range I tend to agree that the defense value does look too low.
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