Re: Grand Campaign; Learning to use a diverse force.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:02 pm
On the halftracks... there is also an advantage during bad weather (e.g. mud)...
This is what I do. My StuG's all have + Def heroes.RVallant wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:53 pmIndeed.
1941 Minsk to Zhitomer
Taking on board some of the advice on here, I went with half-tracks for the Pak A/T guns as I think they need some cross-country capabilities, and I went with some trucks for the infantry in a compromise because I foresee only using those trucks in the event of over-reach by the tanks. So, in theory, the trucks should not be getting under fire at all.
My arty remains unchanged, I am getting annoyed that I'm landing +Def heroes on them instead of something more useful. I think I will consider these units for the 1 range artillery in the future.
That Pz2F Hero that you changed into a Pz3 is good ole' Heinz Rondorf, I personally love making him a Flamm...love, love, love using that soft boy shredder.RVallant wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:53 pmTwo more free units joined in the campaign, a hero Mountain unit and a hero Tank. The tank was upgraded to a PzIII, as I swapped the Char for a PzIV, and I want an even number of both tanks for my battle groups. I intend to put that PzIII into the Tiger series as he has a movement bonus, so I'm just imagining a mobile Tiger tank... I removed the transport from the Mountain unit, I'll actually keep him as the Alpine force though. I added two basic Infantry for Minsk I think it was. I have so many tanks and I wanted to start doubling up Infantry to take on objective hexes alongside the Arty, but also, Russia is so big that I couldn't really afford to go with just the four infantry...
Just a few quick thoughts.RVallant wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:17 amZhurivla to Vyazma
Then came Vyazma and the 'passing rain'. Hah, I admit I played this scenario twice because it was so interesting how the random effect of the weather can take hold.
So anyway we're in 1942 now, Demyansk Pocket, which I believe is an interesting scenario. I'll play that over the weekend and then we're onto GC 1942.
Before I do, I need to analyse my forces and start considering my upgrades. I'm tempted to jump in with the Marder, but I need to do some research on that. The main thing I need to check out is the ROF for the 7/2, I've heard in discussions in the past that it is weaker than the 7/1?
Agreed, that is the decision I've ultimately decided on. The Marder seems to come far too late for any good it is.Cerberus51 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:27 am
The Marder series all have pretty low ground defence and soft attack which makes them vulnerable to infantry unless they have supporting artillery. I would wait for the StugIIIF which will be along in 42.
If I am interpreting the equipment file correctly the 7/1 has a RoF of 12 while the 7/2 is the normal 10. I've never felt there to be much difference between them.
Good that it is going well. I find that success breeds success and if you can get on a roll and keep it going that is a lot easier than trying to get moving again if you scrape a couple of marginal victories.RVallant wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:03 pmA concern is that my Panzers are not matching up very well against Russian armour anymore. The BT model is being phased out and whilst I can handle the T34/40, I seem to be struggling with the /41 model and the less said about the giant KV1's the better.
My next mission is Simferopol and I will be taking advantage of the shiny new PzIVG variant that released mid-mission at Kharkov. I see it is a better defensive tank, so perhaps that will swing the tank battles in my favour? I ended up finishing this mission with 5 turns to spare, happy days.
43's in 1942...Cerberus51 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:21 am
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but you are going to run into T34/43's fairly soon. Airpower is the only solution to the better Russian tanks at this point, either strat bomb to suppress and force surrenders or Rudel (O/S Rudel is usually the answer, now what was the question?).
PzIVG is pretty decent and the best you will get until the end of this campaign. The critical scenarios in 42 are the street battles in Stalingrad. Are you sure you will have enough infantry and artillery?
I have tried all the German infantry types and now pretty much only bother with Pioniere (the "no rugged defence" makes them far better than Grenadiers) and Gebirgs (for the movement. They actually have sufficient mobility to do without transport - making them cheap, which helps with the soft cap in due course).
Huh, I hadn't realised the AA did suppression. Learn something new every day. I'm guessing the 7/2's benefit is hitting Strat bombers? In which case, I think I'll stay with the 7/1's as TAC's are the more immediate concern.captainjack wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:03 amIt's good to see more love for a mixed force, and you can do surprisingly well with what most people consider as second choice units.
You seem to be getting good advice - the Panzer IVG remains a good tank for quite a while, and the IVH is a useful upgrade later on if you are short of funds or just don't want an all-cat force.
The Sdkfz 7/1 or 7/2 SPAA question is a good one. The 7/2 is better for taking pot shots at enemy aircraft and is OK on defence, but for me the 120% RoF in combination with the -5low altitude penalty for Tac bombers and Fighters makes the 7/1 better defensively because lots of suppression blunts an attack better than a few kills.
Stalingrad is a good scenario for buying a few extra Stugs - plenty of ammo, 110% RoF, and mobile enough to reach units stopped in awkward places on contact with an unspotted enemy unit. Keep them resupplied when at 4 ammo or less (5 or 6 attacks from SMG infantry will finish off almost any unsupported unit, but 1 or 2 should be OK). Don't worry about the lack of long range attack as you can buy towed 105s for attacking - they have enough ammo to be useful defensively as well. You should end up with a few casualties and a lot of 2* units very quickly. Sell the spares if prestige is tight otherwise hold for upgrades and emergency use later. They will struggle a bit suppressing the T34 and KV but your tanks and AT can handle these in the open and your 3* hero pios and grenadiers wil sort them out in the city hexes.
It is a bit odd but the PzIII L and M will be along shortly. Don't get excited though as they are not significantly better than the J you have been using. By the end of 42 the PzIII is basically obsolete. I still have 3 in my core but am no longer using them. They are there either for the disaster of losing a Tiger or Panther, in which case I can upgrade one as a 3* replacement rather than buying a green unit, or if prestige gets tight towards the end I can disband them to claw back a few points. It is not a problem as you will get a wonderful Christmas present in the last scenario of 42 (it takes place in December ). For 43 you will have your new toys and also the PzIVH.RVallant wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:00 amSimferopol:
Back on the offensive, but this was by no means an enjoyable mission. I had several close calls, including one T34/41 hitting a mighty 8-5 on one of my SE PzIII’s… This isn’t like the earlier campaigns where we blitz through, it was more a battle of attrition line by line and although the PzIV is doing okay, the PzIII is seriously underperforming in my opinion.
The PzIIIN variant became available, what happened to the L and M variants?
As an aside, I relegated one of my PzIII’s to a PzIIFlamm for this mission to act as a mobile engineer. Whilst he was very effective, I noticed that he was a magnet for enemy attacks. I may convert him to a PzIV or III for the next mission, which should be Voronezh.
I think I'm going to do the same as you and bump Rondorf and Kercher to Tigers when they come along.Cerberus51 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:09 pm
At this rate you are going to catch up with me soon. I just completed Ponyri (the first scenario of the northern pincer at Kursk). I have 3 SE Tiger 1's and Rondorf and Kercher are also riding around in Tigers. I normally deploy 9 panzers for a scenario so I also have 4 Panther D's and just got awarded another one as my 6th SE unit. It did remarkably well on its first outing. It was a very pleasant experience to have a green unit that the Russians were avoiding rather than targeting. T34/43's (yes, they turn up in increasing numbers as 42 goes by) and even KV1-C 's are no longer of concern. Only the eventual arrival of the Russian 85mm gun tanks will be a problem.
I rarely use the Flamm. It is a powerful unit but whoever the enemy they will target it relentlessly. By contrast, when I have played Allied Corps and used a Churchill Crocodile (admittedly a rather tougher proposition) it is not targeted in anything like the same way. If you are taking it back to a normal panzer, make it a IV, there is no point in buying III's at this stage.
At Sevastopol Assault I too was initially misled by the reference to strong naval assets. I also started to move the Gustav railway gun down the Eastern part of the map. However I made such rapid progress that I was able to see that it would not be needed in the Southwest and was able to send it back North in time to be useful. The Karl heavy mortar is very useful. I found the key to be eliminating Russian AA so that I could make use of my air units. Strat and tac bombing eventually broke down the defences in good time.
Yes, the PzIIIN is essentially an infantry tank. I rely on my panzers to screen off Russian armour from the more vulnerable units so tend to prefer the models that are better against tanks.RVallant wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:04 pmVoronezh:
PzIIIL and the StugIIIF/8 become available. Back to blitzkrieg tactics supposedly.
I updated my PzIII to the N variant, but decided against going for the L on the basis of the N having better defensive attributes. I decided I would use the PzIII as an infantry tank of sorts, due to the high ground defence, the better soft attack and because the PzIV was superior against Hard targets anyway.
I’m unsure what to do with Nowotny, a fighter ace with -2Def is a bit iffy. Escort duty perhaps?
Only downside to this mission is the appearance of the Soviet SPAA guns; these should be fun to deal with!
This force heralded the arrival of the T34/43, which absolutely decimated my PzIII’s and pretty much went toe to toe with the PzIV’s.
Oh yes, I did a force shake up here. One Sturm got upgraded to the Wuhfrahmen and one Artillery was changed into a 21cm Nebelwerfer. The rationale behind the change is to see how the Wuhfrahmen compares to the Sturm. It will follow my pioneer unit, which almost exclusively fights for city objectives. That’s usually soft targets like infantry, so this should be very helpful. The 21cm Nebel was justified as a late arrival sort of artillery unit, my problem is that I have my SPAA on covering duty for both SPART guns, so I’m not sure if this was the right call or not, especially as it only has 2 range.
In this mission, the Soviet counter-offensives ensured that both rocket artillery units got good use. The 21cm seldom needed to use transport as it was under heavy defensive fire duties all day long.
I finished in 14 turns, so six turns ahead of the requirement. This lets me go into Burkinova Depot, an optional mission, but I will take it since I ‘earned’ it! So far, so good. I’m not liking that new T34 though, tough unit!
I can tell you like Nebelwerfers!
Hrm, that's for defensive scenarios is it? To be honest, I haven't paid much attention to when the prestige is gained! I shall start paying attention to it more. I think I'm at around 50-55k prestige, I would have higher if I wasn't babysitting the experience gains I think.