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Can units retreat forward into a ZOC?

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:59 pm
by OxfordGuy3
The manual and some AARs I've seen seem to imply that a unit can retreat forward into an enemy ZOC, which could be very dangerous for double line defenses - however in my current GS 3.0 game I don't think I've ever seen this happen. Can this actually happen, if there is no non-enemy ZOC hex to retreat into or will the unit always just stay put? Thanks!

Re: Can units retreat forward into a ZOC?

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:04 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Yes, if the hex is friendly and you can't retreat away from ZOC.

Re: Can units retreat forward into a ZOC?

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:21 pm
by OxfordGuy3
Stauffenberg wrote:Yes, if the hex is friendly and you can't retreat away from ZOC.
Ah, that must be it - so you can't be forced to retreat into an enemy controlled hex in a ZOC?

Re: Can units retreat forward into a ZOC?

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:12 pm
by richardsd
oxford_guy wrote:
Stauffenberg wrote:Yes, if the hex is friendly and you can't retreat away from ZOC.
Ah, that must be it - so you can't be forced to retreat into an enemy controlled hex in a ZOC?
you never retreat into an enemy hex

Re: Can units retreat forward into a ZOC?

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:25 am
by GogTheMild
IF a unit retreats it will attempt to do so such that it does not end in an enemy ZoC. If it cannot do this it will attempt to avoid ending in the ZoC of the unit which attacked it. If it cannot avoid this it WILL still retreat, so long as it is physically possible. There is a clear example in the 12 May entry of this AAR viewtopic.php?f=78&t=42493 , and slightly less clearly in the 11 May entry. This is the usual way of cracking the double defensive line, as the second line prevents the attacked unit from 'retreating' to the rear.

Re: Can units retreat forward into a ZOC?

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:54 pm
by OxfordGuy3
GogTheMild wrote:IF a unit retreats it will attempt to do so such that it does not end in an enemy ZoC. If it cannot do this it will attempt to avoid ending in the ZoC of the unit which attacked it. If it cannot avoid this it WILL still retreat, so long as it is physically possible. There is a clear example in the 12 May entry of this AAR viewtopic.php?f=78&t=42493 , and slightly less clearly in the 11 May entry. This is the usual way of cracking the double defensive line, as the second line prevents the attacked unit from 'retreating' to the rear.
The forward retreat I see in that example is into an Allied controlled hex, not an Axis one, though... I don't think I've ever seen a retreat into an enemy controlled hex that's in a ZOC

Re: Can units retreat forward into a ZOC?

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:10 pm
by GogTheMild
Ah! No, a unit will *never* retreat into an enemy controlled hex. Only friendly controlled hexes are eligible to be retreated into.

Re: Can units retreat forward into a ZOC?

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:22 am
by OxfordGuy3
GogTheMild wrote:Ah! No, a unit will *never* retreat into an enemy controlled hex. Only friendly controlled hexes are eligible to be retreated into.
Okay, thanks for confirming