Mixed Nationality Corps 1813-14, number/type of Divisions?

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Mixed Nationality Corps 1813-14, number/type of Divisions?

Post by pugsville » Wed May 29, 2013 2:32 pm

"The Army corps may be chosen with 3 divisions of different nationality.."

(a) So can you only 2 Divisions in your Corps or 4? Or Must it be 3?

(b) Can you chose divisions totally of the same Nationality? (all three divisions Russian for example?) Or Must be include at least two different Nationalities.

(c) Can you choose the same division multiple times? Make a divisions with 2 divisions from the same list? Or 3?

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Re: Mixed Nationality Corps 1813-14, number/type of Division

Post by pugsville » Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:19 am

bump.

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Re: Mixed Nationality Corps 1813-14, number/type of Division

Post by BrettPT » Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:04 pm

"The Army corps may be chosen with 3 divisions of different nationality.."
This list is probably one of the best available - mainly because you can ignore minimums. The trade-off is that you have some overall requirements to meet. It's a list tournament checkers have to check most closely!
(a) So can you only 2 Divisions in your Corps or 4? Or Must it be 3?
You must have 3 divisions of different nationality, so unless you have some Swedish troops, you will always be fielding one division each of Prussian, Russian and Austrian. (If you do happen to have some Swedish figures, a Swedish division can swap out one of the other 3 nationalities).
You may optionally field a 4th division, which will then be the same nationality as one of the other 3.
b) Can you chose divisions totally of the same Nationality? (all three divisions Russian for example?) Or Must be include at least two different Nationalities.
No. It's a Mixed Nationality list, you must field 3 different nationalities.
(c) Can you choose the same division multiple times? Make a divisions with 2 divisions from the same list? Or 3?
Only if you are fielding 4 divisions, then 2 of them can be from the same list.
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Re: Mixed Nationality Corps 1813-14, number/type of Division

Post by BrettPT » Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:11 pm

It's probably worth noting that if you want to field a list of 2 (rather than 3) allied 1813 Nationalities, then you would do this by taking a normal Prussian/Russian/Austrian Corps list, most of which allow an attached division of another nationality.

If you want only 1 nationality, then of course you would just field a list from the relevant Corps.

The Mixed Nationality list is designed for players who want to field 3 different nationalities
(but primarily used by players who want to ignore annoying minima and field whatever they want :) )
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Re: Mixed Nationality Corps 1813-14, number/type of Division

Post by KendallB » Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:43 pm

Minimum of three divisions for this corps. You need one Prussian, one Austrian and one Russian division minimum although you can swap one of those divisions for a Swedish division (Austrian would be most historical). You choose which nationality the Corps Commander will be.

Then you can get an additional division of Prussians/Austrians/Russians but your CC must be the nationality of the extra division. The extra division may also be a division that is Allied with the list you chose the fourth division from. So the different make up of the corps can be:
Prussian CC: Prussian, Austrian, Russian divisions + one of Prussian, British in Low Countries, Baden divisions.
Austrian CC: Prussian, Austrian, Russian divisions + one of Austrian, Wurttemberg, Bavarian divisions.
Russian CC: Prussian, Austrian, two Russian divisions.

A confusing point is the allocation of a Cossack unit to a division. Can this be any division? Only a Russian division? Only Mixed or Cavalry divisions? Do the lists that each division is taken from need to have Cossacks in them in order for this unit to be taken?

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Re: Mixed Nationality Corps 1813-14, number/type of Division

Post by MDH » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:41 am

We did this ("MDH" is my new handle replacing " Mike Horah" due to some login problems) to reflect the highly varied shape of allied armies post the armistice in 1813 when looking at the large battles.

Although allowing for the " import" of a division from another list as in many other lists went some way to that, it still did not reflect the mixes you encounter in 1813-14 when reading it all up. That said I was not sure how well it would work for smaller standard games. And I was not sure we had worded it sufficiently clearly.

Shoehorning historic orbats of allied armies into a tight game system at the Corps level has its problems sometimes! But most wargamers I know find organising their armies for a game one of the most enjoyable parts of the hobby so I tend to favour flexibility where it can be justified.

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