Are Elephants viable in V2?
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:47 pm
From what I have read they gain an extra die at impact, but need Elephant mounted Generals to get any re-rolls, and these Generals cannot affect other mounted troops re-rolls.
p 24 of the new version.Scrumpy wrote:I assume you have to mark what your Generals are mounted on now in your army list?
There is one difference that you do not mention. In game 1, the Burmese, losing all 12 elephants, have lost 12 attrition points. In game 2, losing all the elephants is only 6 attrition points: a big difference.scuzi wrote:Did having elephants in units of 4 make them super troops: it did not seem so, Two of the three unit were destroyed, they did however mean they weren't destroyed by the freak roll of a one and so stayed around for a turn longer, not bad for a 100 points
Did giving them a shooting capability unbalance the game: again it did not seem to, against the skirmishing cavalry it did allow some return, 4 dice for shooting is not a game breaker
But most importantly did it feel correct in relation with known historical evidence on eastern(Burmese) elephants: yes historically elephants were deployed in large clumps (eastern) and their shooting was reported to have been considerable
I must point out again that this is only suggested for eastern elephant armies and this is only one game. I am sure this will provoke some discussion and i hope some better representation of eastern elephants
So answer to the question "are elephants viable in V 2" well IMHO no they are not, at least for eastern armies
Good point well made sir. Elephants are designed to do well maybe, then die (or become spent, which in game terms means removed from play)grahambriggs wrote: There is one difference that you do not mention. In game 1, the Burmese, losing all 12 elephants, have lost 12 attrition points. In game 2, losing all the elephants is only 6 attrition points: a big difference.
Yep. I think an opportunity was missed in FoG to give a bit more variety in capabilities to units. All elephants being the same are a notable example. A few elephants with Bow capability and some here or there being superior would be interesting.grahambriggs wrote:Your point is well made though that the various elephant forces of antiquity did perfrom different roles and it would be better if there were rules to reflect that. A Burmese elephant with a dozen bow crew is not going to do the same job as a macedonian elephant with a single pikeman.
"When she was goodphilqw78 wrote:Try telling any of the above to our 66 points of Han HW/Xbow who last night fragged in impact then routed in melee against a single elephant BG.
I've changed my mind. My elephants are not good enough and other people's are too good.
Strangely I have found the same, but substitute "armies" for elephantsI've changed my mind. My elephants are not good enough and other people's are too good.