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T-70 too powerful!?

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:17 pm
by pomakli
During our last MP game, both sides realized that the T-70 was too powerful. It destroyed T-38 - Panzer III - Panzer IV, one by one.

As the player on the German side, it bothered me naturally, but the Soviet player had the same opinion. fyi...

Re: T-70 too powerful!?

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:34 pm
by AndrewGardner
With the current stats, a side hit at range of 4 from a T-70 has a 100% chance of penetrating a Pz 38(t), Panzer III F, or Panzer IV A. It has a 68% chance of penetrating a Panzer III M or Panzer IV G from the side (no chance from the front). Its chance to hit those tanks starts between 42 and 48% at that range in ideal circumstances, so there would have been some element of reasonably good luck and/or good shot selection to actually score consecutive hits.

Do those numbers seem reasonable?

Re: T-70 too powerful!?

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:50 pm
by MartyWard
AndrewGardner wrote:With the current stats, a side hit at range of 4 from a T-70 has a 100% chance of penetrating a Pz 38(t), Panzer III F, or Panzer IV A. It has a 68% chance of penetrating a Panzer III M or Panzer IV G from the side (no chance from the front). Its chance to hit those tanks starts between 42 and 48% at that range in ideal circumstances, so there would have been some element of reasonably good luck and/or good shot selection to actually score consecutive hits.

Do those numbers seem reasonable?
Isn't the T70 pretty much a light tank? They should almost never take out a Panther.

Re: T-70 too powerful!?

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:56 pm
by AndrewGardner
The T-70 stats give it no chance of a frontal penetration against a Panther at any range, but it has similar effectiveness from the flanks as it does against the later Panzer IIIs and IVs.

Re: T-70 too powerful!?

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:46 pm
by MartyWard
AndrewGardner wrote:The T-70 stats give it no chance of a frontal penetration against a Panther at any range, but it has similar effectiveness from the flanks as it does against the later Panzer IIIs and IVs.
I have never seen a game where it could do more than just clink off a Panther regardless of the angle or distance. It would be like a Stuart taking one out. If it happened, it sure didn't happen many times.

Re: T-70 too powerful!?

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:42 pm
by LandMarine47
A t-70 taking a Panzer IV, even from the sides is tough. I think they should be tweaked, but only a little bit (maybe 5%?)

Re: T-70 too powerful!?

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:56 am
by louism
The T-70 has roughly the same gun as the 45 mm AT-gun and should be quite effective against the early (1941-42 and earlier) German tanks but it should no be very useful against later models.

Re: T-70 too powerful!?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:37 pm
by IainMcNeil
I'll check its stats - a 45mm gun should do almost nothing to late war tanks.

Re: T-70 too powerful!?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:52 am
by THE_bRUCE
I thought I might see a thread like this but about another tank, the BT7. That tank can take hits and dish out destruction in any scenario involving early-war tanks. It's fast, tough, packs punch and is cheap to purchase.