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Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:21 am
by Magic1111
Hi Folks!

After playing through Panzer Corps years ago, and also the content of Panzer Corps 2, I would like to try OOB.
Both games are similar, but very different in some ways.

Yesterday I played the first trainings mission.

My first question relates to the screenshot from the first training mission.I think this unit has just landed.

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- What does the half star mean in the unit status? And what does the small 1 to the right of the strength indicator mean?

And my next two questions:

- Isn't it possible to undo a movement in OOB? I haven't found a button or a shortcut. That surprises me a lot, since the possibility actually exists in every strategy game.

- Is there a way to permanently deactivate the status window that appears before each new round? I don't have to be automatically informed of my objectives before each new round.

Many thanks in forward.

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:55 pm
by Erik2
Half star means that the unit have moved, but not attacked.
Some units like paras (and maybe marines) can spend a few turns without being supplied (and suffer its consequences).
No undo, this has been discussed to death in the past.
I think the status window behaviour is set in stone. You can always use the short-cut o to close it. I use a number of the short-cuts during play to speed up the game.
Welcome aboard.

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:12 pm
by prestidigitation
- Isn't it possible to undo a movement in OOB? I haven't found a button or a shortcut. That surprises me a lot, since the possibility actually exists in every strategy game.
Chess and checkers have a touch it means you must move it. Civ, Humankind, Sanctus Reach, Total War, Paradox, OOB, Strategic Command, GG, original Panzer General and numerous other games have no "take backsies" undo button. That's by far the vast majority of niche and mainstream strategy games. I've always been kinda confused why any strategy game has it as an unlimited use option as it allows you to, essentially, have a cheat.
- Is there a way to permanently deactivate the status window that appears before each new round? I don't have to be automatically informed of my objectives before each new round.
No, and I personally find it helpful as I often forget objectives midway through. A scenario can take a long time.
And what does the small 1 to the right of the strength indicator mean?
Supply cache. If a unit is cut off for whatever reason from a base of supply it can last one turn before taking penalties. Very helpful on marine units
- What does the half star mean in the unit status?
Faction symbol.

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:20 pm
by Magic1111
Erik2 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:55 pm
Half star means that the unit have moved, but not attacked.
And vice versa, the half star is also displayed if the unit has attacked but not yet moved?

Erik2 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:55 pm
Some units like paras (and maybe marines) can spend a few turns without being supplied (and suffer its consequences).
So the small number indicates the number of rounds the unit is without supply?
Erik2 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:55 pm
No undo, this has been discussed to death in the past.
Hehehe, I believe that! :wink: Such a possibility is therefore not planned in future updates, I guess?
Erik2 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:55 pm
Welcome aboard.
Many thanks Erik! :D

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:30 pm
by Magic1111
prestidigitation wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:12 pm
I've always been kinda confused why any strategy game has it as an unlimited use option as it allows you to, essentially, have a cheat.
My opinion is that the player should decide for himself whether he wants to take the undo option or not. The game should basically provide for the possibility. If you consider it a cheat, you can deactivate it, and play without them. I think that would be the best solution. But even so I can live with it ... :wink:
prestidigitation wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:12 pm
No, and I personally find it helpful as I often forget objectives midway through. A scenario can take a long time.
Again, a small option, enable / disable in the options menu, would be helpful.
prestidigitation wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:12 pm
Faction symbol.
I know that is the symbol for the fraction.
I was just wondering why the star (here USA) is only half visible. That must mean something.

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:15 pm
by Shards
"And vice versa, the half star is also displayed if the unit has attacked but not yet moved?"

An attack will always end a unit's turn, same for repairing/healing.

"So the small number indicates the number of rounds the unit is without supply?"

The small number is how much supply cache the unit is carrying. In general, Marines have 1 turn of supply cache, Paratroops 3.

This allows them to survive being cut off from a supply source without taking any efficiency hit.

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:39 am
by Magic1111
Shards wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:15 pm
The small number is how much supply cache the unit is carrying. In general, Marines have 1 turn of supply cache, Paratroops 3.
This allows them to survive being cut off from a supply source without taking any efficiency hit.
Ah, now I understand! Perfect, thanks for clarification! :D

But my next two questions please...

- Are there campaign trees for the various OOB content to read? Here in the forum as an example? I didn't find anything in the game.

- After completing the training missions, I would like to start the Sandstorm campaign.
Unfortunately I didn't find any information on how the different levels of difficulty differ. There is also no tooltip. So what is the difference between each level of difficulty? In Panzer Corps I always play with the difficulty level "General". Is this comparable?

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:40 am
by Erik2
The difficulty levels add or substract strength points for the AI unit.
Example, level 3 has max AI unit strength = 10 (no advantage to their human or AI). Level 2 has max strength = 8 for AI units (this is also the default level from campaigns, make sure you change it to level 3 if you prefer an even battle field.
The level label and graphic differs between the various campaigns. Anyway, level 3 is in the center of the options.

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
by Shards
As someone who knows what they're doing with this sort of game, I'd recommend starting on level 3 and putting it upwards if you find you're doing too well.

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:44 pm
by Magic1111
Perfect, many thanks Erik & Shards!

Since you have not answered my question, I assume that there are no campaign trees (e.g. graphics)?

But it wouldn't be bad at all, I also like to be surprised. :D

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:01 pm
by Shards
There are some trees knocking about, but they're hard to find :$

e.g. Sandstorm: http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 40#p725471

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:24 pm
by Erik2
This campaign tree was removed for some reason (no longer correct?).
But it should give you a reasonable overview anyway.
Some of the campaign announcements included trees.

Shards; Maybe campaign trees could be added to the Crate?
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Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:30 pm
by Magic1111
Wonderful, thank you both! :D

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:03 am
by GabeKnight
I think this one is right

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Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:05 am
by GabeKnight
I also have those:

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Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:18 am
by Magic1111
Many, many thanks @all!

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:54 am
by Magic1111
Next Questions (I´ve read the manual, but I don´t find an answer...)

- Are the costs of refreshing units with normal and elite reinforcements in the scenario more expensive than in the deployment phase?

- How about buying and upgrading units. Is there a difference between doing it in the middle of the scenario or in the deployment phase?

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:58 am
by Shards
Last I checked, it's exactly the same price, no matter when or where you do it

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:15 am
by Magic1111
Shards wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:58 am
Last I checked, it's exactly the same price, no matter when or where you do it
Ah, that´s an advantage regarding Panzer Corps.

Good to know, thanks Shards! :D

Re: Panzer Corps Veteran has questions about OOB

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:33 am
by Shards
You do also get a partial refund on repairs to Auxiliaries, but I'd have to go to the manual to remember how much :$