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Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by kondi754 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:43 pm

I'm currently working on a historical Mod for OoB's German GC 39-45
I would like the game to be: first - consistent with historical reality, secondly - I think it will make the game more attractive, and thirdly - it will make the game much more difficult
Therefore, I have set up 5 stages of my project:
1. correction of all erroneous or inaccurate dates of battles, operations and campaigns and their duration in time
2. corrected dates of all, coefficients and cost of some units (for now German, unfortunately it took me the most time), in addition to removing some and adding other
3. correction of the specialization and creation of a resonable system of specialization development for the Waffen SS
4. changed the emblem of the Wehrmacht to the Greek cross on a black background, consistent with the historical reality
5. minor corrections - eg. correct names of commanders etc.
EDIT. 5a. complex tests of improved content
6. collect all these files into one and create a Mod for the game (EDIT. after the release of the new, big Patch for OoB, of course)

I've already completed stages 1-5 (mostly :oops: ), there was remained the last point but the most important, I'm just reading the manual "how to create your own Mod for OoB"... :wink:

I regret very much, but because of my poor skills of modding, I limited myself to the player-controlled factions, while the AI-controlled factions were left unchanged
I think I did a titanic work with German troops in the units.csv file, next I will deal with Japanese and US Army on PTO
The British and Soviets only after the release of subsequent DLCs, similarly the correction of US troops on ETO
I will try to describe all the major (and minor, too) changes in several subsequent posts :arrow:
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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by kondi754 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:48 pm

1. correction of all erroneous or inaccurate dates of battles, operations and campaigns and their duration in time

It refers to scenarios:
BLITZKRIEG :arrow: Warsaw, Norway, Belgium, Case Red, Greece, Minsk, Smolensk and Kiev
PANZERKRIEG :arrow: Rzhev, Demyansk, Sevastopol, Voronezh, Kalach, Caucasus, Stalingrad, Op.Star, Kharkov 43
ENDSIEG :arrow: Donbass, Rumyantzev, Smolensk 43, Zhitomir, Novgorod, Anzio, Falaise, Market-Garden, Aachen, Hurtgenwald
SANDSTORM :arrow: in preparation

to be continued :!: :idea:
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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by airbornemongo101 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:19 am

Can't wait to see and play this

Thx Kondi
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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by Navman2854 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:44 am

airbornemongo101 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:19 am
Can't wait to see and play this

Thx Kondi
Amen, looks very interesting! Kondi does some good work 8)

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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by kondi754 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:17 pm

2. corrected dates of all, coefficients and cost of some units (for now German, unfortunately it took me the most time), in addition to removing some and adding other
(Part One)

INFANTRY:
unchanged, only a little correction of availability date of SdKfz 250 halftrack carrier

RECON:
sea reconnaissance units (float planes) not available
Zundapp motorcycle available, set correct dates, statistics and cost
SdKfz 221, 231 6Rad available, set correct dates
SdKfz 222, 232 8Rad, 233, 234Puma set correct dates

TANKS:
Pz Ib available, set correct dates, CPs (supply) reduction
Pz IIB set correct dates, CPs (supply) reduction
Pz 38(t) A/E set correct dates, statistics and cost
Pz III all versions set correct dates
Pz IV all versions set correct dates, statistics (2 versions) and cost (1 version)
Panther all version set correct dates, all version are unreliable now
Tiger I/II set correct dates, all version are unreliable now, so Tiger I ausf.H was deleted from list (noPurchase trait)
Maus and Pz E-100 are of course unreliable, too :mrgreen:
early StuGs, StuH, Brummbar and Sturmtiger I will describe in the second part with artillery (here will be a lot of changes, too :wink: )
Flammpanzer III unchanged
SdKfz 251 Uhu set correct dates

TANKS CAPTURED:
French vehicles unchanged
Soviet vehicles set correct dates

Why did I introduce "Unreliable" trait for all heavy German tanks and vehicles built using their chassis?

1. because it is true, they had drive system and engine extremely prone to failure until the very end of the war, mainly used as immovable points of defense, they had difficulties with moving in the operational space (suitable bridges, proper terrain etc.)
2. it will force players to use Pz IVs, StuGs and Hetzers in larger quantities, which was also true
3. the game will be more difficult because of that, but in return I introduce specialization tree for the Waffen SS, which I hope will sweeten this controversial choice for many of you
4. besides, you'll learn to play Panther or Tiger despite of "Unreliable" trait, I've learned and it's really cool and super realistically 8) :twisted:


To be continued :!: 8)
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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by terminator » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:48 pm

kondi754 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:17 pm
RECON:
Zundapp motorcycle available, set correct dates, statistics and cost
How do you do that :?:

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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by kondi754 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:15 pm

terminator wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:48 pm
kondi754 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:17 pm
RECON:
Zundapp motorcycle available, set correct dates, statistics and cost
How do you do that :?:
Let's say I'm currently working on it :wink:

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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by kondi754 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:38 pm

Please check this, if you don't believe
But there are a few problems, including skins which don't work :(

PS. I have Heroes of Normandie installed on hard drive
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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by Igor1941 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:35 pm

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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by kondi754 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:37 pm

I understand that you like my idea :)

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Re: Zundapp motorcycle

Post by GabeKnight » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:33 pm

terminator wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:48 pm
kondi754 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:17 pm
Zundapp motorcycle available, set correct dates, statistics and cost
How do you do that :?:
kondi754 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:38 pm
PS. I have Heroes of Normandie installed on hard drive
That's what Mr. T meant, I think, those of us who do not have "Heroes of Normandie" installed, won't be able to use it probably. IIRC it was "locked" a few versions ago.

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Re: Zundapp motorcycle

Post by kondi754 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:24 pm

GabeKnight wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:33 pm
terminator wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:48 pm
kondi754 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:17 pm
Zundapp motorcycle available, set correct dates, statistics and cost
How do you do that :?:
kondi754 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:38 pm
PS. I have Heroes of Normandie installed on hard drive
That's what Mr. T meant, I think, those of us who do not have "Heroes of Normandie" installed, won't be able to use it probably. IIRC it was "locked" a few versions ago.
Maybe you're right but even if someone have Heroes of Normandy on his HD it's not enough
I had to think for a long time and try to make Zundapp available also for the Germans, not only for the Japanese
BTW it's simply stupid, if I have bought and installed that game then I should normally have the option of using this unit in the editor, am I right? :?

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Re: Zundapp motorcycle

Post by bru888 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:58 pm

It's a remarkable coincidence, but I was just experiencing the same frustration about the Zundapp motorcycle not being available in the scenario editor. I was looking for it because it would have been ideal for a certain operation that I have in mind but I found it was not available and then I remembered why. It's listed in units.csv and presumably the unit graphics are someplace as well, but it's blocked for the reason that Mr. T. brought up. Even if you do have access to it, Kondi, I would advise not using it if you intend to release your work to the public.
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Re: Zundapp motorcycle

Post by kondi754 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:51 pm

bru888 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:58 pm
It's a remarkable coincidence, but I was just experiencing the same frustration about the Zundapp motorcycle not being available in the scenario editor. I was looking for it because it would have been ideal for a certain operation that I have in mind but I found it was not available and then I remembered why. It's listed in units.csv and presumably the unit graphics are someplace as well, but it's blocked for the reason that Mr. T. brought up. Even if you do have access to it, Kondi, I would advise not using it if you intend to release your work to the public.
Probably it's good advice
I changed this unit's class from recon to infantry and corrected the statistics (especially against soft targets), motorcycle schutzen (riflemen) weren't an ordinary reconnaissance, they were able to capture and keep important oases in the Libyan desert for example...

In addition to the inability of using camouflage, the way it's used by the Wehrmacht faction requires a special instruction
Simply, anyone who would like to have Zundapp would have to modify the unit.csv file at least twice. :twisted:

EDIT. I resolved the issue with the name of unit, below :D
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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by Igor1941 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:29 am

kondi754 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:37 pm
I understand that you like my idea :)
Yes. More scenarios of different :D

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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by kondi754 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:33 pm

2. corrected dates of all, coefficients and cost of some units (for now German, unfortunately it took me the most time), in addition to removing some and adding other
(Part Two)

ANTI-TANK:
37mm Pak36, 75mm Pak40, 88mm FlaK36 set correct dates
50mm Pak38 unchanged
Panzerjaeger I set correct dates and statistics
Marders all version set correct dates, statistics and cost (2 versions)
StuGs late versions (F/F8/G) set correct dates (all)
Sturer Emil deleted (noPurchase)- only 2 vehicles were used in battle, it's to little for operational scale game in my opinion
Nashorn/Ferdinand/Elephant set correct dates
Jagdpanzers both versions set correct dates
Hetzer slightly reduced cost, CPs (supply) reduction
Jagdpanther, Jagdtiger unreliable now
20mm FlaK38, Wirbelwind and Ostwind will describe with AA units
AT units captured unchanged

ARTILLERY:
75mm leIG18, 75mm FK18, 105mm leFH18 and 150mm sFH18 unchanged
170mm K18, 210mm Mrs18 set correct dates
Nebelwerfer, Wuhrammen 40 set correct dates
Sturmpanzer I (Bison) set correct dates
early StuGs (B/D/E) set correct dates, CPs (supply) reduction
Sturmpanzer IV (Brummbar) set correct dates
StuH 42 set correct dates
Sturmtiger set correct dates, unreliable
Sdkfz 135/1 (Bison II) set correct dates
Grille, Wespe, Hummel set correct dates
Karl Gerat 40 unchanged
Artillery units captured unchanged

ANTI-AIRCRAFT:
20mm FlaK38, 20mm FlaKvierling38, 37mm FlaK37 unchanged
88mm FlaK36 was described with AT units
SdKfz 10/4, SdKfz 7/1, SdKfz 7/2 set correct dates
Wirbelwind dates unchanged, Ostwind set correct dates, CPs (supply) corrected when AT mod set

There will be aircraft in the last part and there will be a lot of changes, too 8)
To be continued :wink: :arrow:
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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by terminator » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:50 pm

kondi754 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:33 pm
2. corrected dates of all, coefficients and cost of some units (for now German, unfortunately it took me the most time), in addition to removing some and adding other
(Part Two)

ANTI-TANK:
Sturer Emil deleted - only 2 vehicles were used in battle, it's to little for operational scale game in my opinion
What do you mean by deleted for the Sturer Emil :?:

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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by kondi754 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:58 pm

I mean "NoPurchase" trait
but Pz VI Tiger I ausf.H was deleted permanently from unit.csv :mrgreen:

On the other hand, inexplicable is the lack of StuG IV, as for me it's the only unit which needs to be added, besides there is nothing more
when it comes to land forces
When it comes to air force, I can only think about Bf 110F/G and maybe Me 210, which in contrast to 410 was tactically used above the frontline

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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by terminator » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:13 pm

kondi754 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:58 pm
I mean "NoPurchase" trait
but Pz VI Tiger I ausf.H was deleted permanently from unit.csv :mrgreen:
Never remove an existing entry, this can cause the game to crash :!: (I did not test, if want you could test :mrgreen: )
You can use "NoPurchase" and "NoEditor" :idea:
Image a scenario with the Pz VI Tiger I ausf.H, with your Mod what is going to arrive :?:

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Re: Historical&Demanding Mod by Kondi :)

Post by kondi754 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:52 pm

Ok, so I'll reactivate Tiger ausf.H
For now everything works fine but in fact I didn't check how the game behave without this entry during eg. Kharkov'43 scn
There is no "auxilliary"Tiger ausf.H in any scenario I suppose, and there are any task connected with Tiger ausf.H so maybe game wouldn't crash :?: :?

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