is this game worse than pike and shot?

Sengoku Jidai: Shadow of the Shogun is a turn-based tactical and strategic game set during this turbulent time; primarily focusing on the Japanese Warring States period and Japanese Invasion of Korea. Other armies from East Asia are also made available to simulate different conflicts across the region.
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is this game worse than pike and shot?

Post by jnpoint » Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:15 pm

In Steam the reviews of this game is worse than those of Pike and Shot. Is this game not as good as Pike and Shot or what is wrong since it's rated lower? It is the newest game and should have some advantage over Pike and Shot. I am looking at this one or Pike and Shot, but in fact I'm most interested in this game, although I'm not sure if I should buy it with only 71% positive ratings.

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Post by zakblood » Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:23 pm

most make there own mind up and don't read what a odd steam reviewer puts, unless you know a given person or reviewer from another game you have or like, i wouldn't take much notice of them tbh

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 21&t=73372

or a twitch feed or video may make more sense if your on the fence

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http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/sengoku-jidai-shadow-of-the-shogun

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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?

Post by SnuggleBunnies » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:10 pm

Really, they're both fantastic games. Get whichever setting interests you more. You'll probably get addicted and end up with both anyway.

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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?

Post by Sabratha » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:16 pm

jnpoint wrote:In Steam the reviews of this game is worse than those of Pike and Shot. Is this game not as good as Pike and Shot or what is wrong since it's rated lower? It is the newest game and should have some advantage over Pike and Shot. I am looking at this one or Pike and Shot, but in fact I'm most interested in this game, although I'm not sure if I should buy it with only 71% positive ratings.
They are based on exactly the same tabletop rules and use the same game engine. So in this sense they are very similar.

What is different is that Pike&Shot is about European armies and Sengoku is about Japanese, Korean, Manchu and Mongol armies of this period.

In short: treat Sengoku and Pike&Shot as you would two sourcebooks for a single gaming system. You will either like the game system and thus like both POike and Sengoku, or you won't like the system and you will dislike both games as a result. I have no idea why one would rate P&S higher than SJ:SoS.

Make a decision based on whether you find European or Asian armies more interesting for you - an issue of personal taste that's all.

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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?

Post by jnpoint » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:38 pm

Thanks for your time. I think I'll go with this one :)

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Post by RodyMetal » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:37 am

They are both excellent games of the same amazing engine, I like P&S because I like European history more, however SJ has additional system of C-n-C where generals matter, also the art work and atmosphere is fitting the period and the theme marvelously.

I do not see exactly why the steam review is lower of SJ, but my guess is the Japanese theme attracted a lot of "japan fans gamers" who are not familiar with Matrix games/ true wargames/ tabletops games, and they got rather disappointed due to lack of super graphics/ animation or anime/ manga art style.

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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?

Post by KiwiWarlord » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:14 am

SJ is better in several ways, Generals, Command & Control, overhead shooting. Love the music and the sets.P&S has many many free scenarios available from a group of absolutely brilliant Modders where as little has been done for SJ in this regard.
Being a tabletop wargamer since the last ice age I find both games are brilliant to play as they simulate the Field of Glory Ancients & Renaissance games beautifully.
The big + for me is the Multi Player (MP) aspect, just love playing other gamers.

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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?

Post by ErissN6 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:05 pm

RodyMetal wrote: got rather disappointed due to lack of super graphics/ animation
No, just the lack of decent ones. I was very disappointed that the game does not show better the units, it removes immersion.
In battles, OTAN symbols would be only slightly worse.
Happy the game has other things to give.

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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?

Post by MaxDamage » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:52 am

Warlord wrote:SJ is better in several ways, Generals, Command & Control, overhead shooting. Love the music and the sets.P&S has many many free scenarios available from a group of absolutely brilliant Modders where as little has been done for SJ in this regard.
Being a tabletop wargamer since the last ice age I find both games are brilliant to play as they simulate the Field of Glory Ancients & Renaissance games beautifully.
The big + for me is the Multi Player (MP) aspect, just love playing other gamers.
I can easily live without any command control in a wargame. It is pretty marginal in most wargames and just boils down to "keep commander behind your troops close". An annoyance to say the least.

What is interesting is how the new overhead shooting system has changed the game in comparison to PS.

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Post by entropyembrace » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:40 pm

ERISS wrote:
RodyMetal wrote: got rather disappointed due to lack of super graphics/ animation
No, just the lack of decent ones. I was very disappointed that the game does not show better the units, it removes immersion.
In battles, OTAN symbols would be only slightly worse.
Happy the game has other things to give.
I enjoy the art style since it's strongly inspired by period artistic depictions of battles.

I find the animations in games like the Total War series to be immersion breaking since they're often so unrealistic.

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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?

Post by GiveWarAchance » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:37 am

It's best to get all the DLC for Sengoku to try all the different armies and campaigns. Not many games have Mongols, Chinese, Korean and Japanese armies to try.

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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?

Post by SnuggleBunnies » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:18 pm

Don't forget the Tibetans! Their army plays very uniquely.

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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?

Post by gomezj » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:29 am

SnuggleBunnies wrote:Don't forget the Tibetans! Their army plays very uniquely.
Yea very uniquely.

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