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Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by ChrisTofalos » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:36 pm

Here's a photo of a situation from a club game which I'd like some help with:

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The pike block on the right (pale green shields) broke its frontal opponents and was left in side edge contact with an enemy battlegroup. My questions are:

(1) How many fight in overlap?

(2) What can the pikes do when it's their turn? Can they turn 90 degrees to face (and fight) the enemy? Do they have to conform in some way?

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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by philqw78 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:49 pm

Any base in side edge contact with the front rank enemy base and those behind such contact. Max 2
It can move off, cannot turn as it is in overlap
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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by grahambriggs » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:37 pm

philqw78 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:49 pm
Any base in side edge contact with the front rank enemy base and those behind such contact. Max 2
It can move off, cannot turn as it is in overlap
So in this case you'd get 1 dice as you only have 1 base in contact.

As Phil said except a third option is to contract into a single element wide column which would give you two dice

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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by dave_r » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:01 pm

You course being pike, they would have to move 3" to contract, meaning g they can't.

The other option is to turn 180, which would give two dice on a 4 rather than one dice on a five.
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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by philqw78 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:45 pm

Can't turn 180. In overlap
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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by petedalby » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:57 pm

Can't turn 180. In overlap
Are you sure Phil? Page 48 - "move normally in the manoeuvre phase" would seem to allow this.
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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by philqw78 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:38 pm

D'oh, was thinking 90. Can't turn 90
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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by grahambriggs » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:55 pm

philqw78 wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:38 pm
D'oh, was thinking 90. Can't turn 90
Can turn 90 to the right...

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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by petedalby » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:57 pm

Can turn 90 to the right...
:)
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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by philqw78 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:04 pm

Whose right
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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by dave_r » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:30 pm

philqw78 wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:04 pm
Whose right
I was!
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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by TERRYFROMSPOKANE » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:36 pm

Page 76 says one of the options for a BG in side edge to side edge contact with an enemy BG is "turn 90 degrees to face it". However the posters on this thread seem to agree the Pikes can not turn 90 degrees to initiate melee combat. What am I missing?

Thanks, Terry G.

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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by dave_r » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:19 pm

If you read the beginning of page 76 it states:

"Battle groups in side edge to side edge contact are not committed to close combat, and are free to move away. If they do not move away, no combat occurs unless they are eligible to fight as an overlap. If not eligible to fight as an overlap, they can engage in meless as follows:
A battle group in side-edge to side-ege contact with an enemy battle group can turn 90 degrees to face it, "

So as the battle group is eligible to provide an overlap it can't turn 90 degrees.
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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by Caliph » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:53 am

Oddly enough, Dave is correct.

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Re: Pursuers in contact to side...

Post by dave_r » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:39 pm

That's not odd. It's normal.
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