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Gallic Cavalry

Post by Caliph » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:59 pm

Right, I'm getting old (grey hair and all that), am still recovering from last nights bloodbath with my politically incorrect Woodland Indians and am having a bit of a moment while looking at the Gallic and Galatian List.

It says the usual in the blurb about allies, "but the troops in the contingent are deducted from the minima and maxima in the main list." Seems straightforward enough.
The Gauls have to have a compulsory allied commander, which is fair enough I suppose, but in both the main list and the ally list in the "total bases" column, 4 bases of protected cavalry are compulsory.
So, if the ally has the compulsory 4 bases of protected cavalry, the C-in-C doesn't have to have any protected cavalry, but has to have 4 bases of something, chariots or armoured cavalry instead. Is that correct?

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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by dave_r » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:40 pm

Correct. He could have protected cavalry as well. But must have something that's half decent :)
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by petedalby » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:41 pm

Right, I'm getting old (grey hair and all that),

Like most of us on here! :D
4 bases of protected cavalry are compulsory

Only from 300 BC
So, if the ally has the compulsory 4 bases of protected cavalry, the C-in-C doesn't have to have any protected cavalry, but has to have 4 bases of something, chariots or armoured cavalry instead. Is that correct?
I don't believe so - no. The minimum of 4 Chariots or cavalry are fielded by the ally - so the C-in-C can field 0-20 - depending upon how many other allies are fielded of course.
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by philqw78 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:28 pm

Agree with Pete, except the getting old bits
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by ChrisTofalos » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:31 am

still recovering from last nights bloodbath with my politically incorrect Woodland Indians
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by Caliph » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:45 am

Yep.
Good, at least I won't have to buy and paint more cavalry. The eyesight is going as well.

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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by dave_r » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:11 am

Caliph wrote:Yep.
Good, at least I won't have to buy and paint more cavalry. The eyesight is going as well.
As well as the mind... You keep confusing those redskins with a decent army...
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by dave_r » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:23 am

petedalby wrote:I don't believe so - no. The minimum of 4 Chariots or cavalry are fielded by the ally - so the C-in-C can field 0-20 - depending upon how many other allies are fielded of course.
Not sure about this - the list notes say that the bases fielded by the ally deduct from the minima and maxima from the main list. ASthe protected cavalry have a minima and maxima, does this mean just the protected cavalry minima and maxima (4-24) or the overarching minima and maxima (also 4-24)?

Could be interpreted both ways. Be interested what a definitive ruling on this is.
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by philqw78 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:38 am

That's it, your not list checking a competition again
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by nikgaukroger » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:59 am

dave_r wrote:
petedalby wrote:I don't believe so - no. The minimum of 4 Chariots or cavalry are fielded by the ally - so the C-in-C can field 0-20 - depending upon how many other allies are fielded of course.
Not sure about this - the list notes say that the bases fielded by the ally deduct from the minima and maxima from the main list. ASthe protected cavalry have a minima and maxima, does this mean just the protected cavalry minima and maxima (4-24) or the overarching minima and maxima (also 4-24)?

Could be interpreted both ways. Be interested what a definitive ruling on this is.
What Pete said is right.
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by hazelbark » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:42 pm

philqw78 wrote:That's it, your not list checking a competition again
How is that punishment?

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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by Caliph » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:18 pm

dave_r wrote: As well as the mind... You keep confusing those redskins with a decent army...
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But it is a good army, it's challenging and fun to use.

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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by philqw78 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:19 pm

hazelbark wrote:
philqw78 wrote:That's it, your not list checking a competition again
How is that punishment?
Because allowing him to do it sends him on another power trip Dan. However he did lose his game against us at Godendag this weekend
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by dave_r » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:20 am

philqw78 wrote:
hazelbark wrote:
philqw78 wrote:That's it, your not list checking a competition again
How is that punishment?
Because allowing him to do it sends him on another power trip Dan. However he did lose his game against us at Godendag this weekend
That was a draw - 9-11.

However, we did completely smash the eventual winners of the tournament 11-9. Considering they got 67 points from the other three games (including 22 if you?) Then we didn't do too badly.
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by hazelbark » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:10 pm

dave_r wrote: That was a draw - 9-11.
However, we did completely smash the eventual winners of the tournament 11-9. Then we didn't do too badly.
Ah the Geordie drawmeister at work.

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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by dave_r » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:00 pm

hazelbark wrote:
dave_r wrote: That was a draw - 9-11.
However, we did completely smash the eventual winners of the tournament 11-9. Then we didn't do too badly.
Ah the Geordie drawmeister at work.
Well, using Hittite against four pike armies I think we did pretty well. I particularly liked it when our average light chariots ran over the superior pike :)
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by petedalby » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:34 am

So who did win and when will you post the results?

And are light chariots the new anti-Han weapon? :D
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by philqw78 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:39 pm

petedalby wrote:So who did win and when will you post the results?

And are light chariots the new anti-Han weapon? :D
Paul and Steve from Plymouth won.
Dave R & B second
Me and Ian third

There were no Han so we won't know.

Light chariots were only anti pike because of Dave's ridiculously lucky, as usual, dice.
His army relied on the light chariots for a very threatening skirmish force, his heavy chariots ran away from us and I assume all the other pike until some holes were made. Dave's main advantage against most of the others was his mass of MF. However we could match him on that, even better him. But trying to beat 8's with and IC and rear support is a long drag.
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by dave_r » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:56 pm

petedalby wrote:So who did win and when will you post the results?

And are light chariots the new anti-Han weapon? :D
Back home on Thursday, will post full results then.

1. Steve Brown and Paul Bartlett. Pikey army
2. Dave Ruddock and David Bannister. Hittite
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Re: Gallic Cavalry

Post by hazelbark » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:46 pm

Aside from the gratuitous but correct Ruddock 2nd place jab.

I would suggest that a well written after action report of the battle and details would promote interest and showcase version 3.

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