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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by FunPolice749 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:52 am

I'm happy with my spot on a Eben Emael scenario. Idk I just have a gut feeling it would be an awesome side scenario that plays out in an interesting way like having auzilery Fallschrimjager battle for the fort itself while your main core tackles outside objectives like the bridges around the fort itself.

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by sebb81 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:50 am

One suggestions (don't know if it was included in PC1):
Battle of the Grebbeberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Grebbeberg)

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Raganr129 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:54 am

Kerensky wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:16 pm
My official board building tracker:

1A Kiane - Channel Islands Scenario
2A Buffalohump - Attacking British Radar stations
3A FunPolice749 - Eben Emael
4A Matyna - more captured planes.
5A Kondi754 - Battle of Hannut

1B kondi754 - Rommel's Division
2B nexusno2000 - No puzzle scenarios
3B adiekmann - Mechelen incident
4B Gfot - Siege of Calais
5B Retributarr - Hypothetical early East Front

1C Waffenamt - Battle of Bulson
2C Schneides42 - Italians in 1940
Assuming Dunkirk would be included in any scenario featuring the siege of Calais, I'll take a Sedan square, other 2 votes going to 3A and 4B, please.

Whatever the result will be I'll likely still be quite happy with whatever scenarios we get. Kerensky does great work as far as I'm concerned. I'm not sure about any scenarios in this DLC involving raiding Britain or any Sealion operations, however I think those could be good ideas for a potential Sealion DLC that follows 1940, like in PzC1. I would just hope that we could pull a core that has participated in a 1940ish Sealion back into the main GC somehow. Maybe it wouldn't be eligible for an (again hypothetical/hopeful) Afrika Corps DLC, but could still take part in a '42 East Campaign or something.

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Kerensky » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:59 am

sebb81 wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:50 am
One suggestions (don't know if it was included in PC1):
Battle of the Grebbeberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Grebbeberg)
That scenario was not in the original Panzer Corps Grand Campaign.

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by kondi754 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:06 am

I think there is a need to some explanation:

Battle of Hannut was the biggest tank battle of the initial period of war (39-41), until June 1941 and the German invasion of the USSR and thus the battle in the Dubno-Lutsk-Brody triangle in the western Ukraine

I'm writing this for those who don't know about it, so they know which option to vote for... :D
The Battle of Hannut has never been in any PC game from what I remember, so there's a good chance it will be now :wink:
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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by raider45 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:17 am

I would appreciate it if there would still be a Finnish (with mainly Finnish units and bunkers (million bunkers, or Poppius bunkers), German defensive battle.
The defense of the Mannerheim Line in February 1940 at Summa-Lähde is an idea here.
Exactly the place to test the new captured Russian tanks and to give the air force enough food.

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Tassadar » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:34 pm

Prediction - Spitfire as a gift unit for CP (either in a Channel Islands scenario or after Dunkirk). Time to make Galland happy. :D

Not sure if this is enough to count as technically Matyna mentioned the hope for more captured planes, but I have this oddly specific feeling about what we can encounter...

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Scrapulous » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:22 pm

My prediction: ahistorical scenario, German core fighting in China. Battle of Zoayang-Yichang, or the Hundred Regiments Offensive? Let's capture some exotic equipment! :twisted:

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Kerensky » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:00 pm

There are no rules against even the most outlandish predictions... so they're going up on the board!

It's actually filling up quite nicely, way faster than I anticipated. I'm thinking to let it run till the end of the week, unless it needs a hard cut off because it's getting too big. And then the next phase of placing bets will start, and then the wait until some kind of announcement determines the winner... :mrgreen:

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by adiekmann » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:44 pm

Kerensky wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:00 pm
There are no rules against even the most outlandish predictions... so they're going up on the board!

It's actually filling up quite nicely, way faster than I anticipated. I'm thinking to let it run till the end of the week, unless it needs a hard cut off because it's getting too big. And then the next phase of placing bets will start, and then the wait until some kind of announcement determines the winner... :mrgreen:
...will that wait be long? :mrgreen:

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Retributarr » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:48 am

"Destination!!!"... 'North-Afrika!':

A while back... I posted extensive detailed coverage with many pictures and maps of the planned... 'Malta Invasion Operation'. If this assault on 'Malta'... is incorporated into the Balkan-Crete line-up... 'Malta' should be seriously considered.

The 'Invasion of Malta' would be "A-Historical" of course... but it really very-nearly actually did take place!. And if it was a successful operation... it would then have had favourable consequences for the Italians and Germans who would eventually be involved in future confrontations with the British, etc.

On the other hand... if this 'Invasion' was not successful... this ending situation could also have some additional negative consequences and repercussions on the 'Afrika-Korps' operational capabilities [Revised!] including an initial reduction of the consigned 'Force-Deployment' of the Deutsches Afrikakorps or DAK ... as compared to the actual quantity of historical forces that were deployed?. Would the loss of Troops and Equipment in that 'Malta' invasion effort now result in more 'North-Afrika' operation restrictions than what already was the situation that existed?. As compared with 'Malta' still continuing to function under 'British-Control... without the invasion ever taking place?'. I don't know how much more worse it would be?.

In any case, I have never experienced a 'Well detailed... well executed'... historically correct' [Revised!] "Actual Detailed Pre-Planned" Axis Malta Invasion!. Could this awesome enterprise be considered or evaluated for inclusion into the 'Game?'.
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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Kerensky » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:55 am

The board is up to a solid 20 predictions.

I think it's time to wrap it up, so it doesn't explode into unmanageable size. 24 hours notice from this post, get your prediction in now, going to close the board and start counting votes!

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by GUNDOBALDO08 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:35 pm

Kerensky wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:55 am
The board is up to a solid 20 predictions.

I think it's time to wrap it up, so it doesn't explode into unmanageable size. 24 hours notice from this post, get your prediction in now, going to close the board and start counting votes!
Wow... so We can expect same announcement soon? Otherwise We can't nominate the winner... ;)

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Retributarr » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:56 pm

"Kerensky!"... my 'What-If Suggestion Entre' description for... DLC AO40 need to be adjusted from... " 5B Retributarr - Hypothetical early East Front" to... "A'-historical-hypothetical... delayed... or 'Time-Table' accelerated... A'-historical-hypothetical... "Eastern Campaign!":

After 'Proof-Reading' my 'Posting'... I noticed that some slight corrections were needed to make more clarification in my explanation of my suggested entry. Some clarifications about the 'American' situation were also better described in more clearer corrected detail.

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Rhaeg » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:13 pm

Well, there's only one thing I badly want to see added to this game, but I doubt it ever will and it would not see much use in a 1940 dlc anyway (unless the suggested 1940 Italian missions get added and you could start a new core that can show up again in Africa and/or the Eastern front in later AO DLCs), so I will pick something different and smaller (that's not likely to get added either, but I think it would be fun and something new nevertheless).

It's not a very well known fact, but after the Dutch laid down their weapons on the 14th of May and officially surrendered one day later, an exception was made for the southwestern province of Zeeland. I believe the main reason for this was to allow the French forces that had arrived in southwestern Netherlands a chance to retreat. So the Dutch and French actually fought the Germans together there from the 14th until the 17th of May and then surrendered after the Germans largely destroyed the historical center of the provincial capital of Middelburg by artillery bombardment, in a way a small repeat of the bombing of Rotterdam two days earlier.

So I would nominate the Battle of Zeeland as a nice addition, since it would be something new, is a nice opportunity to add some French troops to support the Dutch and I also think the map is quite interesting too:

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Apart from just conquering the map, there's room for nice bonus objectives too, for instance, intercepting retreating French forces that basically followed the lower of the two red lines of the German advance and then tried to cross the Westerschelde water at Vlissingen to Breskens. The fat green lines show the locations of the main allied defensive lines at Bathstelling (Bath line), Zanddijkstelling (Zanddijk line) and Sloedam, at the time there was only a small dike or dam between the islands of Walcheren and Zuid-Beveland (one important reason why current maps wouldn't work as well for WW2 scenarios, there's now a broad area of land reclaimed from the sea there), basically a killing zone which Canadian soldiers found out the hard way when they had to cross there 4,5 years later.

It's a perfect example of a small unknown conflict within the larger conflict of WW2. Take the tragic/heroic tale of French general Marcel Deslaurens, for example. To quote the Wikipedia page that I linked:
On Walcheren he also took command of men from the 68th Infantry Division. His main concern was to defend their position and prepare an organized escape back to France, and to raise the moral of the fatigued troops. On 17 May their positions were attacked by German artillery and airplanes, with Deslaurens inspecting his troops without regard for danger. Under severe pressure, the troops retreated to Vlissingen; orders were given to embark on French warships (under the command of admiral Charles Platon) that evening. Amid the chaos of French troops that continued to pour in, and given the demoralized state of those troops, Deslaurens himself grabbed a rifle and covered the retreat, setting up a position with whatever soldiers and officers he could detain, some four hundred meters from the embarkation. By 22:15 all had been evacuated except for Deslaurens and his small defensive group, who were all killed.

He was one of thirteen French generals who died in May/June 1940. Originally buried on the Noorderbegraafplaats in Vlissingen, his remains were later transferred to France.
When I read this small piece of info, I could imagine an entire movie being made about this event alone. And speaking of movies, next year will see the release of the most expensive Dutch movie until now (not sure how big a thing that is :lol: ): The Forgotten Battle (trailer for some reason not on youtube yet but here on twitter). It is set in the same province of Zeeland in 1944 when Canadian, Polish and British troops had to liberate it to give the Allies access to the harbour of Antwerp, after the Market Garden fiasco. The entire operation turned into a series of bloody battles after the Germans had plenty of time to reinforce the area because Montgomery decided to go for the bridges over the rivers near Nijmegen and Arnhem instead of securing a vastly improved supply situation which access to Antwerp would have given. This battle of the Scheldt might** have been the biggest (and bloodiest) Allied operation on the Western Front in 1944/1945 after Overlord, Battle of the Bulge and Market Garden, but not many people have heard of it. So hey, the Battle of Zeeland may not make the 1940 DLC, but there's still plenty of time to implement the same map for the Battle of the Scheldt in a 1944 Western front DLC! :wink:

I was born and lived in Goes from age 0-12, lived in Vlissingen from age 12-18 and my parents are still living in Middelburg today. All of these places are on the map I posted. So I think you can guess why I know about these WW2 events while some of them are still called The Forgotten Battle :wink: Really don't care about having an in game hero named after me, but at least this all served as inspiration for this post, so if someone enjoyed reading this it was worth typing this. Btw, I never even knew about General Deslaurens until today, so at the very least this "Kerensky contest" brought this 'little' story to light. The general finally received a monument in Vlissingen in 2001 apparently, 4 years after I moved out of town and the province myself. So because of this lil' contest/idea/whatever I managed to dig up this story today about 1 of 13 French generals that died in 1940 during the German invasion in May/June 1940. A French general dying in the Netherlands in 1940, all but forgotten...makes me once again think about how many young kids have been forgotten.

** At least I (for whatever that's worth) can't think of any other.
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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Retributarr » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:32 pm

Marvelous… "Great Post!"..."Rhaeg!" … I never was aware of the situation that you just described. What a 'Revelation!'... I hope that if nothing else... that "Karensky" gives is its due consideration.

Further-more!... hopefully as well as for my 'Un-Official' request to be given likewise consideration... that is!... my "snuk-in-request" or "Spiel" for "Destination"... North Afrika!.

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by Rhaeg » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:52 pm

Retributarr wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:32 pm
Marvelous… "Great Post!"..."Rhaeg!" … I never was aware of the situation that you just described. What a 'Revelation!'... I hope that if nothing else... that "Karensky" gives is its due consideration.
At the very least it made someone who was born and grew up in some small area of The Netherlands learn of the tragic and heroic fate of a French General. I grew up in the place and only learned of this today because I thought "Battle of Zeeland" could be an original idea for a 1940 PC2 dlc scenario. It's crazy in a way isn't it? There is so much history in this entire "WW2 conflict"... once again, this tale of a French general in a remote corner of the Netherlands makes me think of all the young kids that died under the command of this man and all these other generals... If I can not know about a General in the area I grew up in, what about all those kids that died in the mud of some place they did not know or cared about. It's a cliché thought in a way ("oh think about all those poor kids"), but when even a 1 in 13 general can pass into local history pretty much unnoticed... poor, poor kids, there's no other words I can think of for them :cry:

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by PanzerCro » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:08 pm

adiekmann wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:30 pm
PanzerCro wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:54 pm
adiekmann wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:12 am
Interesting...

So far a lot of mention of smaller side operations. However, I know there will be lots of complaints if at least some of the big stuff (Dunkirk, Sedan, Narvik, etc.) are not included. But this is the same question (challenge) about designing these that I thought about before even the first DLC was released: How do you keep it fresh but not skip over the major/famous battles/operations?

1941: I think maybe Yugoslavia, Greece, and Crete could/should be combined as their own separate DLC if expanded upon in finer detail. Same with North Africa.

Barbarossa...same questions/challenges as 1940 France.

Kerensky...I do not envy you!
Yugoslavia would make sense, but not in 1941. as Axis basically stormed through it. It would make sense after they capitualted, as there were big war going on, communist partisans, chetniks, ustashe. Plus, some german and italian divisions. A lot of battles. Yugoslavian sector in WW2 is worth of separate DLC.
and the aftermath played a role in the civil war during the 1990s.
It wasn't civil war. It was Serbian plan backed up by yugoslavian peopel's army (which was mostly consisted of Serbs) to expand Serbian borders (Great Serbia). :)

I agree, there were a lot of battles here during WW2, and yes, a lot of German and Italian troops were here. It would be very good DLC. :)

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by wecker » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:06 pm

Hi,

I would like to give my prediction on the DLC AO40:

Fall Grün - the hypothetical invasion of Ireland in mid-August 1940 as a sideline or deception for Seelöwe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Green_(Ireland)

Could be nice with some IRA Guerillas.

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Re: What we'd like to see in DLC AO40 and 41...

Post by adiekmann » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:13 pm

PanzerCro wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:08 pm
adiekmann wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:30 pm
PanzerCro wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:54 pm

Yugoslavia would make sense, but not in 1941. as Axis basically stormed through it. It would make sense after they capitualted, as there were big war going on, communist partisans, chetniks, ustashe. Plus, some german and italian divisions. A lot of battles. Yugoslavian sector in WW2 is worth of separate DLC.
and the aftermath played a role in the civil war during the 1990s.
It wasn't civil war. It was Serbian plan backed up by yugoslavian peopel's army (which was mostly consisted of Serbs) to expand Serbian borders (Great Serbia). :)

I agree, there were a lot of battles here during WW2, and yes, a lot of German and Italian troops were here. It would be very good DLC. :)
Sorry, I can tell this still stirs lots of emotions among Croats. Here in the West, they refer to the conflict that occurred in the former Yugoslavia in the 90's as a civil war. Point of view, but I meant no harm. Growing up in the early 1980s my best friend's dad was from Croatia. If anyone ever mentioned something like, "Oh, so you're from Yugoslavia?" he was always quick to correct them and point out, "No, I am from Croatia!" I thought about that often when the average person was asking, "Why are they fighting each other in Yugoslavia?" when the conflict began.

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