Beginner's Guide Video Series

Field of Glory II is a turn-based tactical game set during the Rise of Rome from 280 BC to 25 BC.
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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:28 am

Mike,

I finished the series.

Is there to be no more?

This was some of the best analysis and implication I have seen on YouTube game videos. Please just a handful of videos is not enough!

Thanks.

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MikeC_81 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:10 pm

Hi, glad you enjoyed it.

If you can convince RBS to make a good replay system I could be enticed to make more. Unfortunately, as it stands, for me to do a video, it requires close to 50 gigs of recorded video per game, which I then have to edit. It is brutally time-consuming and I am a very active player in another game at the moment which means I cannot devote time to make a good video. I do have something coming up though for the FoG2DL. I got some new video editing software which is light years ahead of Microsoft Movie Maker (shudder) which was what I was using before.

We will see.
FoG 2 Post Game Analysis Series on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKmEROEwX2fgjoQLlQULhPg/

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:28 pm

I understand. I love NVidia Shadow Play to review my own battles in many games without a replay system. But if I want to do any editing even with all OCed cores crunching, it takes hours.

I have watched many player tutorials and LPs. What made yours standout is that you do not simply reproduce examples out of the manual, but rather got down to the implications of the mechanics. I have to say it was brilliant. It was the difference between discussing the capabilities of an HMG, and where to deploy if for greatest affect within an entire defensive position.

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by vakarr » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:14 am

MarkShot wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:28 pm
It was the difference between discussing the capabilities of an HMG, and where to deploy if for greatest affect within an entire defensive position.
Starts trying to work out what FOG unit a HMG is.... :roll: :oops: :mrgreen:

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:11 am

Yes, one HMG 42 would have made quick work of those close order formations! As far as I know, The Ballista did not cause an entire formation to drop and hug the ground for dear life.

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by vakarr » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:51 pm

MarkShot wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:11 am
Yes, one HMG 42 would have made quick work of those close order formations! As far as I know, The Ballista did not cause an entire formation to drop and hug the ground for dear life.
Except in Gladiator or the Total War series...

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by vakarr » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:52 am

I have created a brief guide to the Thracian armies in Field of Glory 2. Five were added in the last update, making a total of 16 (including the slightly Thracian lists). Here's the first of the series of three: https://youtu.be/b4o4sVejiS4

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:43 am

Thank you!

I had watched your other two on battle resolution before even meeting you here (in a virtual sense).

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:36 am

Chris,

Are you a professor of antiquity? (as I saw that you said you have a book out)

I've taken about 6-10 antiquity classes so far (mainly on Rome) from:

https://www.thegreatcoursesplus.com/home

My background is retired senior management of software engineering. Predominantly, I've taken above classes on physics (and other sciences ... genetics, robotics ...), but there is only so many times you can hear wave/particle duality explained or general relativity and the non-euclidian geometry of space/time. :)

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:49 am

I watched 2 so far. Interesting.

Also, I have only had the game for a month or so, but you have made me realize how much I am missing by just playing Roman <-> Macedonian battles!

Thanks.

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by vakarr » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:23 am

Part 2 is here: https://youtu.be/JhFXYfWaXIk
Part 3 is here: https://youtu.be/IbN1RQH8lro

No some of my friends in Thracology gave me an honorary "Dr" title but I did it all the wrong way round - publish before apply for PhD - so never got to the professor part. Found a new word in a thesis by the Canadian professor of ancient history, Mathew Sears: Thraikophoitai. This comes from a play by Aristophanes and it means “Thrace-haunters”. I guess that’s what I am! I work as an IT guy. Mathew is a professional Thrace-Haunter who cleverly managed to fit the Thracians into mainstream Athenian ancient Greek studies and I would like to meet him some day. Meanwhile, there are some marvelous new Thracian lists to try out. It's good for you, not having elite legionaries or superior pikes or elephants to rely on - you really have to come up with some good tactical solutions!!

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:09 am

Chris,

I hope some day, you will be awarded an honorary doctorate in antiquity. Don't give up. Find something unique or a new angle on things, and make a name for yourself.

Remember Einstein couldn't even beg a position at a university. Many people never even make an impact upon the World's base of knowledge. In 1905, Einstein would publish not one but four papers that would change physics forever. And of course, his name graces our recognition of greatness like: Aristotle, Newton, Darwin, Hawkings, ... Don't give up!

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by vakarr » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:33 am

Well if only there was a doctorate in Medieval Total War 2... anyway I have my historical novel to write, at least

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:49 pm

Actual, I have seen 3-4 graduate level papers on writing AI modules for OTTD (Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe). It is an open source highly enhanced version of the old TTD Chris' Sawyer MPS game. In OTTD, the developers did not implement an AI competitor, but left the ability to develop plug-in AI modules for community. It has been a fertile area for academic consideration.

Certainly, the game of chess has been an area of programming interest for 20+ years; even after IBM's Big Blue beat Garry Kasparov. But the day is coming to an end; maybe has already come. About year ago Google's LC0 Neural Net (aka LeeLaa) beat the best chess program in the world. But it is the way it did it that is significant. Chess as a programming discipline has maybe 30 years. LC0 spent a day playing millions of games against itself; deriving what it needed to know. Just one day of machine self training beat 30 years of programming.

Ah, but if you had only seen one of the matches. Normally, computer chess plays for a steady methodical win based on very small incremental gains. I watched a grand master analyze LC0's play. Now, it had the game won already. But it was throwing away pieces. But these were not sacrifices intended to achieve an advantage. They were more like a cat toying with a mouse before killing it ... "go ahead take that bishop and take that rook; you are already dead, but don't know it yet". It is the only time in my life, computers have ever scared me ... in the sense that they might be innately evil.

So, go teach a neural net to play TW at deity level. It should make for some interesting YouTube videos! :)

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:16 pm

Chris,

Back to Thracians, Dacians, and all rhyming warriors of antiquity ...

You generally point out only that ONLY the late armies with Roman allies are well balanced for most terrain, and that most Thracian armies do optimally with high hills topped with rough.

My question: As the field is generated randomly what do you do when you find yourself fighting on a soccer/football field against an army heavy in impact foot?

Thanks!

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by vakarr » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:14 am

Well against elite Roman legionaries there's not a lot you can do, as they seem able to ignore any terrain in their path. I won a game against Thracians despite the Thracians occupying a hill and woods because of the way the elite legionaries (admittedly with a fair bit of luck) were able to carve a path through the Thracian hordes (after I used a Roman list maximised for cavalry to beat up the Thracian cavalry and light troops). However there's likely to be only a couple of such units in a Roman army (Elite Triarii aren't such a problem as the unit size is small and they are spearmen). Armies of warband aren't such a problem as they aren't armoured , turn slowly, and can be held by spearmen with a bit of luck (and maybe a general). Legionaries can be held by rhomphaia armed Thracians as they ignore the armour. The legionaries win in the end but you may have time to flank them in the meantime. That means that the soccer field works to your advantage. The thing about Thracian armies is that you usually win the initial skirmishes, which can give you the initiative or at least allow you to choose where to strike. I lost against a Roman army because it had its flanks covered and it took forever to get around them (and the elites walked through a wood like it wasn't there) - a football field might have helped. That means you can get at the flanks and Romans don't tend to have a large number of cavalry or light cavalry or light troops. You can beat up the light troops, which puts you in front as far as points are concerned (not very much but it's nice to begin that way). Then you can start shooting up your chosen targets. The football field means that if they come at you they have to expose their flanks so it's going to be a terrific fight to see if the rhomphaia men can hold out long enough for the flanks to be caved in. You have to hold back your centre as much as possible, and keep moving your generals around the combats. I should like to try it again one day - I'm describing my experience against human opponents.

I've fought a successful battle with the original Thracian list (where the most terrifying thing is a Thracian spearman) against a hoplite army - on a clear terrain battlefield. I lost every Thracian general but by running right around the enemy line and keeping him busy elsewhere I was able to pick my target, shoot up the hoplites there (where some but not all were raw) then start the process of suicide charge frontally - followed by a flank charge the following turn. Every Thracian unit can move and turn on the same turn - which is not an obvious advantage, but it does help. It's not easy but it's fun and a great challenge!

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:23 pm

I will give it a try.

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by vakarr » Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:45 am

Great! PM me if you have any questions or if you would like to try a game against me

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by MarkShot » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:01 am

I haven't played MP for ~25 years. (Well, not strictly true ... I did join www.chess.com and play a few matches in realtime against other members.)

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Re: Beginner's Guide Video Series

Post by vakarr » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:12 am

FOG multiplayer is great as you don’t play it real-time but when it’s convenient so time zones don’t matter (important for me as I'm GMT+10). You can play one turn per day if you wish. Each player plays a turn then it is automatically uploaded. You then receive an email saying that a turn is available, go to the multiplayer section of FOG, click on your game, and it is automatically downloaded. I hadn't played multiplayer games either until I tried it with FOG 2 - it's simple and easy to do. You just have to go to your Slitherine account and click a setting there to allow it (I forget what it was now).
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