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The West is No More (476 AD) - Tournament 1: Abandoned

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"... The helpless Augustulus, who could no longer command the respect, was reduced to implore the clemency, of Odoacer... Their military acclamations saluted him with the title of king, but he abstained during his whole reign from the use of the purple and diadem... Odoacer was the first barbarian who reigned in Italy, over a people who had once asserted their just superiority above the rest of mankind..."

(The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon)

This tournament start in 476 AD, immediately following Romulus Augustulus abdicating from the throne of the West Roman Empire and Odoacer becoming king of Italy. Each player represents one of twelve major factions existing at that time, these major factions at certain points during the tournament rotating among the players so that players get new major factions to represent. It also involves a number of other, non-player factions: Persia, the Huns, Anglo-Saxons, etc.

Players with their major factions at start
Aetius39: West Rome
olin0111: Soissons
MadMaxBot: Italy
CaptainWalterSavage: Visigoths
peterpiper: East Rome
kronenblatt: Franks
tyronec: Suevians

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Rules

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Rules in the form of .pdf document is available for download HERE (version 1.1.4 as of February 10, 2021).

Rule option II: rotating major factions applies, with new major factions to represent being selected by the players at the end of every round in which at least one C-in-C of any of the twelve major factions falls in battle.

Players can declare the following attack declarations
(either for only the major faction that they are currently representing or for any minor faction or foreign faction, if allowed by the rules)
  • Conquest (by players' major factions upon other major factions (player or non-player))
  • Punitive Expedition (by players' major factions upon foreign factions)
  • Annexation (by players' major factions upon minor factions)
  • Revolt (by minor factions upon players' major factions)
  • Raid (by minor factions upon players' major factions)
  • Foreign Invasion (by foreign factions upon players' major factions)
  • Overlord Overthrow (by major factions upon other major factions) (with at least one player's major faction of the two)
  • Migration (by players' Ostrogoths only upon other major factions (player or non-player))

The score of each not eliminated player is adjusted at the end of each round, with the adjustment being calculated as follows
  • +0.6 for each of the player’s battles that round in which he is the victor.
  • -0.4 for each of the player’s battles that round in which he is the loser.
  • -0.2 for each of the player’s battles that round that is a draw.
  • -0.2 for each of the player’s battles that round in which his army’s C-in-C fell in battle.
  • +0.6 if the player has been successful in his declared conquest attack.
  • +0.4 if the player has been successful in his declared punitive expedition attack.
  • +0.2 if the player has been successful in any other attack that he has declared.
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Round 1 (476 AD): attack declarations

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Round 1 (476 AD)

Order of attack declarations (see Attacks in the rules)
1. Aetius39: West Rome (Jan. 11)
2. olin0111: Soissons (Jan. 12)
3. MadMaxBot: Italy (Jan. 13)
4. CaptainWalterSavage: Visigoths (Jan. 14)
5. peterpiper: East Rome (Jan. 15)
6. kronenblatt: Franks (Jan. 16)
7. tyronec: Suevians (Jan. 17)

Once attack declarations have been made, battles are resolved simultaneously during a three-week period of Jan. 19 - Feb. 9 (see Battles in the rules), or earlier if attack declarations are concluded before Jan. 17.
(If all battles have been resolved before that, round 1 may commence earlier, but plan for first order of round 2's attack declarations on Feb. 12).

Please note that:
  • Rules are found in second post of this thread.
  • Date (midnight CET (Rome) time) above indicates deadline, after which opportunity to declare attack is forfeited and the player next in line may declare attack.
  • If a player above has announced an attack, then player next in line is free and is encouraged to announce attack to, up to his deadline, i.e., if the players before you have announced attacks, don't wait for your deadline to announce your own attacks but instead do so speedily so battles can start as soon as possible.
  • Make sure you have The West is No More v1 mod downloaded and installed (available in-game*).
*To download, click on the "Download community scenarios" button in the top left corner of the Main Menu, then scroll down to the bottom and you should then see version 1 for both single-player and multi-player. Click and select them both and they will be automatically downloaded for you to use when setting up battles in the Multi-Player Lobby as well as single-player Custom Battles.

Announced attack declarations
1. Conquest: West Rome attacks Gepids. Attacker province: IV Dalmatia. Defender province: VII Pannonia.
2. Conquest: Soissons attacks Franks. Attacker province: XII Lugdunensis. Defender province: XIII Belgica.
3. Conquest: Italy attacks Vandals. Attacker province: I Aemilia. Defender province: III Sicilia.
4. Conquest: Visigoths attacks Suevians. Attacker province: XXI Baetica. Defender province: XX Gallaecia.
5. Conquest East Rome attacks Ostrogoths. Attacker province: X Moesia. Defender province: IX Dacia.
6. Foreign invasion: Persia attacks East Rome. Attacker province: XXXII Persia. Defender province: XVI Oriens.
7. Foreign invasion: Sabir Huns attacks East Rome. Attacker province: XXXI Alania. Defender province: XV Pontica.
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Re: The West is No More (476 AD) - Tournament 1

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Annexation

Aetius39 (West Rome) from province IV attacking Gepids in province VII.

West Rome - Roman 425-492 army vs. Gepids - Gepid 493-567 army

Is that right?^^
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Aetius39 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:00 pm Annexation

Aetius39 (West Rome) from province IV attacking Gepids in province VII.

West Rome - Roman 425-492 army vs. Gepids - Gepid 493-567 army

Is that right?^^
Not quite (but almost :D): Gepids is a major faction and annexation is used upon minor factions. So I guess you intend to do a conquest attack? This is then how I suggest it's drafted:

Conquest
West Rome attacks Gepids without allies.
Attacker province: IV Dalmatia.
Defender province: VII Pannonia.

Correct? (I specified above that you're not bringing any allies. Normally it wouldn't be necessary, but in this case only to emphasise that allies need to be part of the attack declaration.)
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Re: The West is No More (476 AD) - Tournament 1

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In battles where you declare a Raid or Foreign Invasion, will the result count towards VPs and FP adjustments ?
In battles where you are representing another major faction, will the result count towards VPs and FP adjustments ?
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tyronec wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:44 pm In battles where you declare a Raid or Foreign Invasion, will the result count towards VPs and FP adjustments ?
In battles where you are representing another major faction, will the result count towards VPs and FP adjustments ?
From the rules:

End of tournament and winning conditions section:
The score of each not eliminated player is adjusted at the end of each round, with the adjustment being calculated as follows:
• +0.6 for each of the player’s battles that round in which he is the victor.
• -0.4 for each of player’s battles that round in which he is the loser.
• -0.2 for each of player’s battles that round that is a draw.
• +0.6 if the player has been successful in his declared conquest attack.
• +0.4 if the player has been successful in his declared punitive expedition attack.
• +0.2 if the player has been successful in any other attack that he has declared.

=> All the player's battles and attack declarations (whether as major faction (his own or other), minor faction, or foreign faction) count in score calculations.

Force point adjustment section:
Each player’s FP adjustment is calculated as follows: 20 minus the player’s major faction's maximum incurred casualties.
The player’s FP adjustment will affect the FP of applicable battles of his major faction next round.

=> Only the battles of the player's major faction count in the FP adjustment, and the FP adjustment is only used for the player's major faction (next round and only for applicable battles).

Did the above answer your questions?

(Please also note that a player only represents his own major faction and no other. Nitty gritty, but still an important distinction. He may play battles as other factions (major, minor, and foreign) but he's not representing them.)
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Yes, clear thanks.
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kronenblatt wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:46 pm
Aetius39 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:00 pm Annexation

Aetius39 (West Rome) from province IV attacking Gepids in province VII.

West Rome - Roman 425-492 army vs. Gepids - Gepid 493-567 army

Is that right?^^
Not quite (but almost :D): Gepids is a major faction and annexation is used upon minor factions. So I guess you intend to do a conquest attack? This is then how I suggest it's drafted:

Conquest
West Rome attacks Gepids without allies.
Attacker province: IV Dalmatia.
Defender province: VII Pannonia.

Correct? (I specified above that you're not bringing any allies. Normally it wouldn't be necessary, but in this case only to emphasise that allies need to be part of the attack declaration.)
Yes that's fine. I just didn't see any player with the Gepids so assumed they became minor. Anyway it's fine!^^
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Aetius39 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:05 pm Yes that's fine. I just didn't see any player with the Gepids so assumed they became minor. Anyway it's fine!^^
Great! Major factions remain major factions, even when they are not represented by any player at that time. Gepids may later (once major factions are rotated) be selected as a player's new major faction. But all in due course... :)

So now it's olin0111 to make his attack declaration.
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Aetius39 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:05 pm Yes that's fine. I just didn't see any player with the Gepids so assumed they became minor. Anyway it's fine!^^
Great! Major factions remain major factions, even when they are not represented by any player at that time. Gepids may later (once major factions are rotated) be selected as a player's new major faction. But all in due course... :)

So now it's olin0111 to make his attack declaration.
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Kingdom of Soissons declares conquest of their historical enemy - Frankish savages!

Conquest
Soissons attacks Franks (without allies).
Attacker province: XII Lugdunensis.
Defender province: XIII Belgica.

Also, I've reread the rules and there is one point in particular that I don't understand:
• +0.6 if the player has been successful in his declared conquest attack.
• +0.4 if the player has been successful in his declared punitive expedition attack.
• +0.2 if the player has been successful in any other attack that he has declared.
What is the incentive for the players to declare attacks that grant them lower VP value (other than larping of course)? It's not like there is any risk involved. Maybe we could make the conquest a high risk high reward endeavor and other type of attack subsequently less so.

Lastly, can we change the colour of Soissons and West Rome to something less brown/dark so the province numbers are less visible?


Thanks in advance for giving consideration to my proposals :D
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olin0111 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:44 am • +0.6 if the player has been successful in his declared conquest attack.
• +0.4 if the player has been successful in his declared punitive expedition attack.
• +0.2 if the player has been successful in any other attack that he has declared.

What is the incentive for the players to declare attacks that grant them lower VP value (other than larping of course)? It's not like there is any risk involved. Maybe we could make the conquest a high risk high reward endeavor and other type of attack subsequently less so.
Firstly, the risk you're running with conquest attacks is to lose (half) the province from where you're attacking, which will occur if you lose the battle. Secondly, conquests should be the main attack type of the tournament. Thirdly, there may not be any opportunity for player to do a conquest attack with his major faction, since all its provinces are already involved in other attacks (like for my Franks, with Belgica XIII already being a defender province through your attack, and thus I cannot use it as an attacker province) and that player is therefore restricted to other types of attacks.
olin0111 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:44 am Lastly, can we change the colour of Soissons and West Rome to something less brown/dark so the province numbers are less visible?
Will look at lightening Soissons up a bit. Would just like to keep the earthy color palette. But may find another suitable color.
olin0111 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:44 am Thanks in advance for giving consideration to my proposals :D
Of course!
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olin0111 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:44 am Kingdom of Soissons declares conquest of their historical enemy - Frankish savages!

Conquest
Soissons attacks Franks (without allies).
Attacker province: XII Lugdunensis.
Defender province: XIII Belgica.
Excellent: exactly correct. :) (Other than your target: the innocent peace-löööving Franks.)
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kronenblatt wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:54 am Firstly, the risk you're running with conquest attacks is to lose (half) the province from where you're attacking, which will occur if you lose the battle.
Ok, yeah I missed that. Makes sense.
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olin0111 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:46 pm
kronenblatt wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:54 am Firstly, the risk you're running with conquest attacks is to lose (half) the province from where you're attacking, which will occur if you lose the battle.
Ok, yeah I missed that. Makes sense.
No probs: easy to miss among 18 pages.. Did you by the way notice the very nice, somewhat lighter browns and green of Soissons, Franks, Italy, and West Rome in first post and onwards? :)
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I like that much better, in particular the soft orange of NW Spain - would be nice if more of the map was that colour.
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kronenblatt wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:12 pm
olin0111 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:46 pm
kronenblatt wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:54 am Firstly, the risk you're running with conquest attacks is to lose (half) the province from where you're attacking, which will occur if you lose the battle.
Ok, yeah I missed that. Makes sense.
No probs: easy to miss among 18 pages.. Did you by the way notice the very nice, somewhat lighter browns and green of Soissons, Franks, Italy, and West Rome in first post and onwards? :)
Definately an improvement :)
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Round 1) Conquest ( Italy attacks Gepids ) attack province: Valeria II defend province: Pannonia VII (no allies available.....yet)
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MadMaxBot wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:06 am Round 1) Conquest ( Italy attacks Gepids ) attack province: Valeria II defend province: Pannonia VII (no allies available.....yet)
Sorry, you can't do that since Pannonia VII is already part of another attack this round (Aetius39's, see above). Please post another attack declaration.

Rules (under Attacks):

Neither of the attacker and defender provinces must be already included in another player's attack this round.
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