The Rally Point (discussion, questions and some highbrow philosophising)

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by stockwellpete » Sun May 31, 2020 9:39 pm

MikeMarchant wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 9:36 pm
I'm trying to play my first turn in Biblical, but when the turn tries to load it presents an error telling me it can't fiond a particualr unit and when I click okay a couple of times the game crashes. I am using th enew TT mod (otherwise I'd not have been able to accept my opponent's challenge), how do I overcome this?


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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by MikeMarchant » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:15 pm

Is it possible for a unit to triple drop?

I just had my CinC, who hadnt been in combat at any point and hadn't taken a single casualty, break when backing up from the enemy. He was steady when he backed up, I am certain of it. That would be a triple cohesion drop from backing up. He wasn't threaetend on his flank or anything wierd like that. He backed up into clear, flat open ground, with the entirety of my side of the battlefield behind him.


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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by Nosy_Rat » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:02 pm

No, it shouldn't be possible to triple-drop from any single source.

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by MikeMarchant » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:29 pm

Nosy_Rat wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:02 pm
No, it shouldn't be possible to triple-drop from any single source.
That's what I thought. I didn't think it was possible to double drop from backing up, either.

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by harveylh » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:08 am

Unfortunately, I have had double drops withdrawing from the enemy so that is possible but rare as I can remember it only once or twice. Also, I believe the morale class was raw.

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by paulmcneil » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:05 am

Double drops are the bane of this game at the moment, constantly bringing catastrophic results in otherwise innocuous situations, taking skill away from players and making the random factor in the game mechanism the decider of games. Pushes armies towards less risk taking, and more static boring tactics.
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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by MikeMarchant » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:27 am

I'm pretty certain it must have been a triple drop, since he was at full strength 240/240. He couldn't have had his cohesion dropped by impact, melee of shooting, without having taken any casualties, and he hadn't backed up previously.

Is there a bug reporting thread where this could be investigated?


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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by Nosy_Rat » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:37 am

Any chance it lost cohesion previously due to friendly unit routing next to it or another general being killed?

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by General Shapur » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:38 am

Did he start disordered in poor terrain perhaps?
Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future, too. M.A.

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by stockwellpete » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:40 am

MikeMarchant wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:27 am
I'm pretty certain it must have been a triple drop, since he was at full strength 240/240. He couldn't have had his cohesion dropped by impact, melee of shooting, without having taken any casualties, and he hadn't backed up previously.

Is there a bug reporting thread where this could be investigated?


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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by SLancaster » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:24 am

General Shapur wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:38 am
Did he start disordered in poor terrain perhaps?
Could that be it? The unit looks steady but is disordered because of terrain and then double drops to rout!

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by hidde » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:29 am

harveylh wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:08 am
Unfortunately, I have had double drops withdrawing from the enemy so that is possible but rare as I can remember it only once or twice. Also, I believe the morale class was raw.
I remember a superior lancer unit(with general, if that matter) double drop on me after fall back two squares.
Made me lose the whole cavalry detachment on that flank.

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by MikeMarchant » Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:24 am

hidde wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:29 am
harveylh wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:08 am
Unfortunately, I have had double drops withdrawing from the enemy so that is possible but rare as I can remember it only once or twice. Also, I believe the morale class was raw.
I remember a superior lancer unit(with general, if that matter) double drop on me after fall back two squares.
Made me lose the whole cavalry detachment on that flank.
Thanks, Pete.


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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by Nosy_Rat » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:10 am

SLancaster wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:24 am
General Shapur wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:38 am
Did he start disordered in poor terrain perhaps?
Could that be it? The unit looks steady but is disordered because of terrain and then double drops to rout!
No, it doesn't work this way. Disorder and disruption are two entirely different conditions.

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by Cunningcairn » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:14 pm

hidde wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:29 am
harveylh wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:08 am
Unfortunately, I have had double drops withdrawing from the enemy so that is possible but rare as I can remember it only once or twice. Also, I believe the morale class was raw.
I remember a superior lancer unit(with general, if that matter) double drop on me after fall back two squares.
Made me lose the whole cavalry detachment on that flank.
It happens far too often as has been said numerous times in the past. But not nearly as annoying as the rallies of spent troops too far away to do anything yet turn the tide of a battle.

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by paulmcneil » Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:27 pm

Cunningcairn wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:14 pm
hidde wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:29 am
harveylh wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:08 am
Unfortunately, I have had double drops withdrawing from the enemy so that is possible but rare as I can remember it only once or twice. Also, I believe the morale class was raw.
I remember a superior lancer unit(with general, if that matter) double drop on me after fall back two squares.
Made me lose the whole cavalry detachment on that flank.
It happens far too often as has been said numerous times in the past. But not nearly as annoying as the rallies of spent troops too far away to do anything yet turn the tide of a battle.
Combination of double drops and lopsided rallies from rout decides a huge number of games, de-skills and passes outcome to chance.
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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by MikeMarchant » Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:50 pm

paulmcneil wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:27 pm
Cunningcairn wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:14 pm
hidde wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:29 am


I remember a superior lancer unit(with general, if that matter) double drop on me after fall back two squares.
Made me lose the whole cavalry detachment on that flank.
It happens far too often as has been said numerous times in the past. But not nearly as annoying as the rallies of spent troops too far away to do anything yet turn the tide of a battle.
Combination of double drops and lopsided rallies from rout decides a huge number of games, de-skills and passes outcome to chance.
Here, here.


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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by SLancaster » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:52 pm

It seems to be like the old argument about RNG.. I think that the game is okay regarding double drops and rallies. Yes, chance but nothing on the battlefield in real life was precisely premeditated and exact.

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by SnuggleBunnies » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:51 am

MikeMarchant wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:50 pm
paulmcneil wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:27 pm
Cunningcairn wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:14 pm


It happens far too often as has been said numerous times in the past. But not nearly as annoying as the rallies of spent troops too far away to do anything yet turn the tide of a battle.
Combination of double drops and lopsided rallies from rout decides a huge number of games, de-skills and passes outcome to chance.
Here, here.


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If that's the case why do dkalenda and pantherboy keep trashing me over and over again? Seems to me like the game rewards skill more than anything still.

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Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)

Post by harveylh » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:39 am

SnuggleBunnies wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:51 am


If that's the case why do dkalenda and pantherboy keep trashing me over and over again? Seems to me like the game rewards skill more than anything still.
And let's not forget Nosy_Rat. And I agree with SnuggleBunnies, they beat me more often than not. However Cunningcain has a point in that close games can be decided by luck. And luck usually averages out in my experience.

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