The Dustbin

[rbodleyscott]

Amazingly we seem to have got the nerf on Indians more or less exactly right, as they have gone from an overpowered 71-1-22 pre-nerf, to a balanced 25-4-29 post-nerf.

So the nerf corrected the imbalance without overshooting the mark.

Wish nerfs always worked out so well.

[stockwellpete]

Amazingly we seem to have got the nerf on Indians more or less exactly right, as they have gone from an overpowered 71-1-22 pre-nerf, to a balanced 25-4-29 post-nerf.

So the nerf corrected the imbalance without overshooting the mark.

Wish nerfs always worked out so well.

Yes, that worked well. It is quite funny - the Indians were involved in 94 games in Season 1 pre-nerf, but have only been used a further 58 times in 5 seasons since returning. Xmas is well and truly over.

I see klayeckles has got the Indo-Greeks with Indian allies into the QF's of the KO Tournament so they still are very competitive in the right hands.

[nyczar]

please tell us what you know!

[stockwellpete]

please tell us what you know!

If you look in the Open Beta thread 1.5.27 you will see where it is going.

[nyczar]

Thanks

[PepeSlitherine]

Will the Digital League work with the same system as the Slitherine tournamets?
Will I find the game directly created or one of the two players would have to create the game?

[stockwellpete]

Will the Digital League work with the same system as the Slitherine tournamets?
Will I find the game directly created or one of the two players would have to create the game?

No, it is very different from the automated tournaments. You arrange your matches with your opponents yourself. In each league section you have to play 9 matches in about 10 weeks at your own pace. I always recommend new players to start off by playing in just 2 sections, so that is 18 games in 10 weeks. Would you like an invitation? I will be sending them out on Monday.

[Stew101]

Hi Pete, I'll be new to season 8 and would like to enter two sections, but I have no real preference for any one section. Would you like me to drop 4 options in for each section? I'm happy for you to drop me in wherever the best fit for the numbers in the lower leagues is.. Regards Stew

[stockwellpete]

Hi Pete, I'll be new to season 8 and would like to enter two sections, but I have no real preference for any one section. Would you like me to drop 4 options in for each section? I'm happy for you to drop me in wherever the best fit for the numbers in the lower leagues is.. Regards Stew

If you can wait until Monday and I will send out the invitations and open up the recruitment threads.

[MadMaxBot]

Hey Pete Id like to be in the Tournament. I was told that I'm on the Invite list.

[rbodleyscott]

please tell us what you know!

If you look in the Open Beta thread 1.5.27 you will see where it is going.

Also the Open Beta 1.5.29 thread.

[stockwellpete]

Hey Pete Id like to be in the Tournament. I was told that I'm on the Invite list.

Yes, I've got you.

[stockwellpete]

Classical Antiquity

Instructions

Here is the full army list for the Classical Antiquity league section. There are over 100 armies available to choose from and, initially, players are required to choose 4 of them (from different nations please, so not 3 Carthaginian armies and a Seleucid army, for example). You may choose to use one type of ally with your army which must be nominated now. Notice also the new regulation regarding the “Diadochi nation” of primarily pike armies. Please post your army selections in your order of preference in this thread.

Please note: armies are 1200 points for this section.

Once players have been organised into divisions of 10 based on their playing experience and ability, they will then be allocated one of their four choices. The allocation process will give preference to the lowest rated players (see FOG2DL ratings) in each division. Only very occasionally might a player be asked to make another selection at this stage.

Players will need to have both the base game and the Immortal Fire DLC to enter this section of the tournament.

Please be sure to familiarise yourself with both the Rules of Competition and the Players' Guide.

The Rules are here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=80755
The Guide is here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=89823


Army list
Achaemenid Persian 550-546 BC
Achaemenid Persian 547 BC (Thymbra)
Achaemenid Persian 545-481 BC
Achaemenid Persian 480-461 BC
Achaemenid Persian 460-420 BC
Achaemenid Persian 419-329 BC
Apulian 420-203 BC
Armenian Tigranes 83-69 BC
Armenian 331 BC-252 AD
Atropatene 320-145 BC
Bithynian 297-74 BC
Bosporan 348-85 BC
Bosporan 84-11 BC
Bruttian or Lucanian 420-203 BC
Campanian 420-281 BC
Campanian 280-203 BC
Carthaginian 490-411 BC
Carthaginian 410-341 BC
Carthaginian 340-281 BC
Carthaginian 280-263 BC
Carthaginian 262-236 BC
Carthaginian 235-146 BC
Carthaginian (Hannibal in Italy) 218-217 BC
Carthaginian (Hannibal in Italy) 216-203 BC
Carthaginian (Hannibal in Africa) 202 BC
Egyptian 405-343 BC (Rise of Persia DLC)
Etruscan 490-331 BC
Etruscan 330-280 BC
Galatian 280-63 BC
Galatian 62-25 BC
Gallic 390-301 BC
Gallic 300-101 BC
Gallic 100-50 BC
Graeco-Bactrian 250-130 BC
Greek 680-461 BC
Greek 460-281 BC
Greek (Mercenary) 460-281 BC
Greek 280-228 BC
Greek (Western) 280-49 BC
Greek 227-146 BC
Illyrian 350 BC-25 AD
Indian 500 BC-319 AD
Indo_Greek 175 BC-10 AD
Indo-Parthian 60 BC-30 AD
Indo-Skythian 95 BC-50 AD
Italian Hill Tribes 490-275 BC
Jewish 167-164BC
Jewish 163-111 BC
Jewish 110-64 BC
Jewish 64 BC-6 AD
Kappadokian 260 BC-17 AD
Kyrenean Greek 550-461 BC
Kyrenean Greek 460-322 BC
Kyrenean Greek 321-276 BC
Latin 490-338 BC
Libyan 549-301 BC
Libyan 300 BC-70 AD
Ligurian 480-145 BC
Lydian 550-546 BC
Mountain Indian 492-170 BC
Nabataean 260 BC-106 AD
Numidian or Moorish 220-56 BC
Numidian or Moorish 55 BC- 6 AD
Pergamene 262-191 BC
Pergamene 190-129 BC
Pontic 281-111 BC
Pontic 110-85 BC
Pontic 84-47 BC
Pyrrhic 280-275 BC (Iberian Open Beta change)
Pyrrhic 274-272 BC (Iberian Open Beta change)
Rhoxolani 350 BC-24 AD
Roman 490-341 BC
Roman 340-281 BC
Roman 280-220 BC
Roman 219-200 BC
Roman 199-106 BC
Roman 105-25 BC
Saka 300 BC-50 AD
Samnite 355-272 BC
Sarmatian 350 BC-24 AD
Skythian or Saka 550-301 BC
Skythian 300 BC-50 AD
Slave Revolt 73-71 BC
Spanish Celtiberian 300-10 BC (Iberian Open Beta change)
Spanish Iberian 300-10 BC (Iberian Open Beta change)
Spanish Lusitanian 300-10 BC (Iberian Open Beta change)
Spanish (Sertorius) 80-70 BC
Spartan 550-461 BC
Spartan 460-281 BC
Spartan 280-228 BC
Spartan 227-222 BC
Spartan 221-146 BC
Syracusan 421-281 BC
Syracusan 280-211 BC
Thessalian 404-353 BC
Thracian (Triballi) 700-351 BC
Thracian 680-461 AD
Thracian (Getae) 680-330 BC
Thracian 460-351 BC
Thracian (Hellenistic) 350-281 BC
Thracian (Triballi) 350 BC-46 AD
Thracian (Hellenistic Getae) 329-281 BC
Thracian (Gallic) 280-212 BC
Thracian (Getae) 279-46 BC
Thracian 211-51 BC
Umbrian 490-260 BC

You may also make one selection from the "Diadochi group" of armies as one of your four army choices . . .

Antigonid 320-301 BC
Lysimachid 320-281 BC
Macedonian 355-329 BC
Macedonian 328-321 BC
Macedonian 320-261 BC
Macedonian 260-148 BC
Ptolemaic 320-218 BC
Ptolemaic 217-167 BC
Ptolemaic 166-56 BC
Ptolemaic 55-30 BC
Seleucid 320-303 BC
Seleucid 302-301 BC
Seleucid 300-206 BC
Seleucid 205-167 BC
Seleucid 166-125 BC
Seleucid 124-63 BC


Note: the armies in bold text are from those nations that have an exemption from the “one army per nation in each division” rule and they will be allowed two armies in any division. They are the Achaemenid Persians, Carthaginians, Diadochi, Greeks, Romans and Thracians. You still may only pick one army from any of these 6 groups.

[stockwellpete]

Late Antiquity

Instructions

Here is the full army list for the Late Antiquity league section. There are over 60 armies available to choose from and, initially, players are required to choose 4 of them (from different nations, so not 3 Roman armies and a Hunnic army, for example). You may choose to use one type of ally with your army which must be nominated now (the only exception to this is the Roman-British 407-599 AD army which is not permitted allies).

Please note: armies are 1200 points for this section.

Once players have been organised into divisions of 10 based on their playing experience and ability, they will then be allocated one of their four choices. The allocation process will give preference to the lowest rated players (see FOG2DL ratings) in each division. Only very occasionally might a player be asked to make another selection at this stage.

Players will need to have the base game, the Legions Triumphant DLC and the Age of Belisarius DLC to enter this section of the tournament. Please post your user name and your four army choices in this thread if you wish to enter this section.

The Rules are here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=80755
The Guide is here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=89823

Important: please note that these armies are not available in Season 8 due to imminent nerfing
Kingdom of Soissons 461-486 AD
Romano-British 407-599 AD

stockwellpete's recommendation for new players - Roman 425-492 AD

Army list
Alan 25-650 AD
Ancient British 60 BC-80 AD
Anglo-Saxon 449-599 AD
Arab 312 BC-476 AD
Arab (Bedouin) 300-636 AD
Arab (City) 300-633 AD
Armenian 253-476 AD
Armenian 477-627 AD
Atropatene 144 BC-226 AD
Avar 553-557 AD
Avar 558-631 AD
Bosporan 11 BC-375 AD
Breton 411-579 AD
Byzantine 493-550 AD
Byzantine 551-578 AD
Byzantine 579-599 AD
Caledonian 50-225 AD
Caucasian 320 BC-476 AD
Dacian 50 BC-88 AD
Dacian 89-106 AD
Dacian (Carpi) 107-380 AD
Frankish 260-495 AD
Frankish 496-599 AD
Gepid 493-567 AD
Germanic Foot Tribes 105 BC-259 AD
Germanic/Gothic Foot Tribes 260-599 AD
Germanic/Gothic Horse Tribes 260-492 AD
Hephthalites 350-570 AD
Hunnic 250-375 AD
Hunnic 376-476 AD
Hunnic (Western) 376-454 AD
Hunnic (Western) 455-559 AD
Hunnic, Sabir 463-558 AD
Iberian or Colchian 331 BC-252 AD
Indian 320-545 AD
Indian 546-599 AD
Jewish Revolt 66-135 AD
Kushan 130 BC-476 AD
Lombard 493-567 AD
Lombard 568-569 AD
Lombard 570-649 AD
​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​Nabataean 260 BC-106 AD
Moorish 350-698 AD
Ostrogoth 493-561 AD
Palmyran 258-273 AD
Parthian 250 BC - 225 AD
Pictish 210-476 AD
Roman 24 BC–196 AD
Roman 197-284 AD
Roman 285-312 AD
Roman 313-378 AD
Roman 379-424 AD
Roman 425-492 AD
Sarmatian 25-375 AD
Sassanid Persian 224-349 AD
Sassanid Persian 350-476 AD
Sassanid Persian 477-590 AD
Scots-Irish 50 BC-476 AD
Slav 500-599 AD
Turkish 552-599 AD
Vandal 442-499 AD
Vandal 500-534 AD

Note: the Roman armies in bold text have an exemption from the “one army per nation in each division” rule and they will be allowed two armies in any division. You still may only pick one army from this Roman group.

[stockwellpete]

Early Middle Ages

Instructions

Here is the full army list for the Early Middle Ages league section. There are over 100 armies available to choose from and, initially, players are required to choose 4 of them (from different nations, so not 3 Byzantine armies and a Gepid army, for example). You may choose to use one type of ally with your army which must be nominated now. Please post your army selections in your order of preference in this thread.

Please note: armies are 1600 points in this section.

Once players have been organised into divisions of 10 based on their playing experience and ability, they will then be allocated one of their four choices. The allocation process will give preference to the lowest rated players (see FOG2DL ratings) in each division. Only very occasionally might a player be asked to make another selection at this stage.

Players will need to have the base game, Legions Triumphant, Age of Belisarius and Wolves at the Gate DLC's to enter this section of the tournament.

The Rules are here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=80755
The Guide is here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=89823

stockwellpete's recommendation for new players - Andalusian 756-1049 AD or Arab Conquest 638-684 AD

Army list
Alan 651-1049 AD
Andalusian 756-1049 AD
Anglo-Saxon 600-949 AD
Anglo-Saxon 950-1016 AD
Anglo-Danish 1017-1041 AD
Arab (Conquest) 629-637 AD
Arab (Conquest) 638-684 AD
Arab (Umayyad) 685-750 AD
Arab (Abbasid) 747-793 AD
Arab (Abbasid) 794-814 AD
Arab (Abbasid) 815-835 AD
Arab (Abbasid) 836-873 AD
Arab (Abbasid) 874-946 AD
Arab (North Africa) 789-999 AD
Arab (Syria/Iraq) 890-1008 AD
Arab North Africa 1000-1160 AD
Arab Syria/Iraq 1009-1150 AD
Armenian 639-717 AD
Armenian 885-1045 AD
Avar 632-826 AD
Breton 580-931 AD
Breton 936-1049 AD
British 600-1030 AD
Bulgar 631-679 AD
Bulgar (Volga) 675-1237 AD
Bulgar (Danube) 680-851 AD
Bulgar (Danube) 852-1018 AD
Byzantine 600-649 AD
Byzantine 650-739 AD
Byzantine 740-903 AD
Byzantine 904-962 AD
Byzantine 963-987 AD
Byzantine 988-1041 AD
Croatian 625-849 AD
Croatian 850-1102 AD
Dabuyid 642-760 AD
Dailami 928-1055 AD
Fatimid Egyptian 978-1073 AD
Frankish 600-750 AD
Frankish 751-887 AD
French 888-1049 AD
Georgian 1008-1049 AD
German 888-932 AD
German 933-1049 AD
Ghaznavid 962-1187 AD
Indian (Hindu North) 600-1049 AD
Indian (Hindu South) 600-1049 AD
Indian (Rajput) 650-1049 AD
Irish 900-1049 AD
Khazar 650-737 AD
Khazar 738-969 AD
Khorasanian 821-1003 AD
Lombard 650-775 AD
Lombard 776-1049 AD
Magyar 830-1049 AD
Moravian 833-907 AD
Navarrese 778-899 AD
Navarrese 900-1049 AD
Norman 923-1040 AD
Pecheneg 850-1122 AD
Pictish 477-850 AD
Polish 966-1057 AD
Rus 860-959 AD
Rus 960-1053 AD
Sassanid Persian 591-628 AD
Sassanid Persian 629-651 AD
Saxon (Continental) 600-804 AD
Scots-Irish 477-846 AD
Scots 851-1051 AD
Serbian 625-849 AD
Serbian 850-1039 AD
Spanish 718-899 AD
Spanish 900-1049 AD
Turkish 600-1036 AD
Viking 780-899 AD
Viking 900-1049 AD
Viking (Ireland) 780-899 AD
Viking (Ireland) 900-1049 AD
Visigothic 622-717 AD
Welsh 600-1049 AD

Note: the armies in bold text are from those nations that have an exemption from the “one army per nation in each division” rule and they will be allowed two armies in any division. They are the Arabs and the Byzantines. You still may only pick one army from any of these 2 groups.

[stockwellpete]

Biblical

Instructions

Here is the full army list for the new Biblical league section. It is split into two sections. There are 16 "hoplite" armies available and you may choose just one of these as part of your four overall choices. There are 25 other armies to choose from and players may choose up to 4 of them (provided they are from different nations, so not 3 Achaemenid Persian or 2 Egyptian armies, for example). You may choose to use one type of ally with your army which must be nominated now. Please be sure to go in-game to check that your army and ally combinations are available. Then post your army selections in your order of preference in this thread.

Please note: armies are 1600 points for this section.

Once players have been organised into divisions of 10 based on their playing experience and ability, they will then be allocated one of their four choices. The allocation process will give preference to the lowest rated players (see FOG2DL ratings) in each division. Only very occasionally might a player be asked to make another selection at this stage.

Players will need to have the base game, the Immortal Fire and the Rise of Persia DLC's, and you will also need to download the new version of the TT mod (v1.5.28) to enter this section.

The TT mod (v1.5.28) for multi-player is available here . . . http://www.mediafire.com/file/uws1wnexa ... 8.rar/file

The Rules are here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=80755
The Guide is here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=89823

stockwellpete's recommendation for new players - Lydian 550-546 BC

YOU MAY CHOOSE A MAXIMUM OF ONE ARMY FROM THIS HOPLITE ARMY LIST
Aetolian 550-461 BC
Akarnanian 550-461 BC
Athenian 550-461 BC
Boiotian League 550-461 BC
Carthaginian 550-411 BC
Corinthian 550-461 BC
Cypriot 549-490 BC
Greek 680-551 BC
Greek Asiatic 550-461 BC
Greek Western 550-461 BC
Kyrenean Greek 630-461 BC
Lydian 550-546 BC
Phokian 550-461 BC
Spartan 680-551 BC
Spartan 550-461 BC
Syracusan 550-461 BC


YOU MAY CHOOSE UP TO FOUR ARMIES FROM DIFFERENT NATIONS FROM THIS LIST
Achaemenid Persians 550-546 BC
Achaemenid Persians (Thymbra) 547 BC
Achaemenid Persians 545-481 BC
Arab 1000-313 BC
Assyrian 681-609 BC
Babylonian 626-539 BC
Babylonian Revolt 522-482 BC
Cimmerian 760-600 BC
Cypriot 680-550 BC
Egyptian 664-571 BC
Egyptian 570-525 BC
Elamite (815-539 BC)
Hebrew 681-586 BC
Kushite Egyptian 727-656 BC
Libyan 549-301 BC
Lydian 687-551 BC
Mannaean 750-610 BC
Median 836-627 BC
Median 626-550 BC
Phoenician 681-539 BC
Skythian 750-551 BC
Skythian/Saka 550-301 BC
Thracian (Triballi) 700-351 BC
Thracian 680-461 BC
Thracian (Getae) 680-330 BC
Urartian 681-585 BC

Please post your user name and your four army choices in this thread if you wish to enter this section.

[stockwellpete]

Themed Event

Instructions
This section will have an Avar theme for Season 8.

Matches in this section are played to a tighter schedule and must be prioritised above matches from other sections. A full schedule of matches will be published before the tournament opens on February 1st. Either player may set up the challenge in this section. Remember to PM your opponent as well as placing the challenge and password in this thread. The group stage matches will be completed in the first 5 weeks of the competition, the knock-out matches will be allowed around 18 days for completion in the second half of the season. Unfinished matches will be subject to adjudication.

The format has changed from previous seasons. For this season 12 players will constitute a pool, which will be divided into 4 qualifying groups of 3 players. At the group stage players will play each other in paired games (mirror matches) so the total of individual battles played by each player will be 4. Only the winner of each group will proceed to the knock-out stage, which will consist of semi-finals and final (again using paired games).

Where players finish with the same number of points at the end of the group stage, the points aggregate from the matches between those players will be used to decide the final places in the group table. If this does not separate the players then lots will be drawn to determine which player proceeds to the next stage of the competition.

New players to the FOG2DL will not be initially eligible for this section (this may change later depending on recruitment numbers).

The Rules are here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=80755
The Guide is here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=89823

Group stage matches
1. A v B . . . Avar 553-557 (no allies) v Hunnic Sabir 463-558 (no allies)
2. B v C . . . Lombard 493-567 with Avar 558-631 allies v Gepid 493-567 (no allies)
3. C v A . . . Avar 558-631 (no allies) v Slav 500-832 AD (no allies)

Semi-Finals
1. and 2. Avar 558-631 (no allies) v Byzantine 600-649 (no allies)

Final
1. Avar 632-826 (no allies) v Frankish 751-887 with Slav 500-832 allies

[PepeSlitherine]

Will the Digital League work with the same system as the Slitherine tournamets?
Will I find the game directly created or one of the two players would have to create the game?

No, it is very different from the automated tournaments. You arrange your matches with your opponents yourself. In each league section you have to play 9 matches in about 10 weeks at your own pace. I always recommend new players to start off by playing in just 2 sections, so that is 18 games in 10 weeks. Would you like an invitation? I will be sending them out on Monday.

Yes, I want an invitation but only in one section. Thank you!

[stockwellpete]

Will the Digital League work with the same system as the Slitherine tournamets?
Will I find the game directly created or one of the two players would have to create the game?

No, it is very different from the automated tournaments. You arrange your matches with your opponents yourself. In each league section you have to play 9 matches in about 10 weeks at your own pace. I always recommend new players to start off by playing in just 2 sections, so that is 18 games in 10 weeks. Would you like an invitation? I will be sending them out on Monday.

Yes, I want an invitation but only in one section. Thank you!

OK then. I will add you to the invitation list.

[Blagrot]

Hi Stockwellpete, another newbie looking for an invite if there's space . Also (and apologies if these are daft questions) is it only the biblical section that requires the TT mod? There's a mention of an Iberian open beta on the spanish lists in Classical Antiquity, where do i get that, is it the same as the current steam open beta? Thanks for running and answering hapless beginners