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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by markwatson360 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:05 am

This is the same for me, i've clicked all the buttons on and off (geography and date) and it makes no difference. The only allies available on my list for the Babylonians are median. I have latest tt mods.

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:16 am

I have received the following reply from Paul59, the author of the TT Mod . . .

Re: New TT Mod version 1.5.18 now available!

Sent: 24 Jan 2020 01:08
From: Paul59
Recipient: stockwellpete
Hi Pete,

The nation and ally combinations in question (Babylonian 626-539 BC with Cimmerian 760-600 BC allies, and Achaemenid Persians 545-481 BC with Spartan 680-551 BC allies) do not exist in either vanilla FOG2 or the TT Mod v1.5.18!

So either the players who say they have these combinations have made a mistake, or there is some funny business going on!

To clarify further; the Babylonian 626-539 BC army only has Median 626-550 BC allies. The Achaemenid Persian 545-481 BC army only has Skythian 550-301 BC allies.

Just to clarify some of the other points that people have raised:

1) The three versions of the TT Mod (Campaigns, SP Custom Battles, and MP Custom Battles) all have exactly the same content. They are just set up slightly differently so that they work for the three different modes of play. So if you are using the MP TT Mod it is irrelevant whether you have other mods, or not.

2) I have tried as much as possible to have the same ally combinations in the TT Mod, as there are in the vanilla FOG2. Obviously, for armies that are unique to the TT Mod I have had to make my own ally choices. Also, with RBS changing the vanilla ally combinations several times, it is possible that I might have made an error with some ally combinations, but I have not discovered any as yet.

cheers

Paul

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:40 am

PM's have now been sent to the 2 players concerned asking for clarifications.

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by markwatson360 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:44 am

You missed one , youngr also picked Babylonian/ Cimmerian.

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:53 am

markwatson360 wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:44 am
You missed one , youngr also picked Babylonian/ Cimmerian.
Thanks. I have just sent youngr a PM as well. :wink:

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Re: Late Antiquity is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:13 am

Late Antiquity is now full. Reserve places only.

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by markwatson360 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:27 am

youngr also picked Egyptian 570-525 BC with Lydian Ally 630-461 BC. This also is not an option on my list.

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:32 am

markwatson360 wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:27 am
youngr also picked Egyptian 570-525 BC with Lydian Ally 630-461 BC. This also is not an option on my list.
OK thanks. I have adjusted my PM to youngr to include this point as well. :wink:

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by markwatson360 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:34 am

dkalenda's choice of Urartian 681-585 BC with Lydian 687-551 BC allies also doesn't exist.

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:44 am

markwatson360 wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:34 am
dkalenda's choice of Urartian 681-585 BC with Lydian 687-551 BC allies also doesn't exist.
OK. PM amended to include this point. Thanks for checking all these. I do not have the Mod installed at the moment.

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by markwatson360 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:50 am

I've found another one, iandavidsmith picked Egyptian 570-525 BC with Lydian Ally 630-461 BC. This isn't on my list. I'm checking through them all to winkle them out! (He could have clicked on the Egyptian 405-343BC list by mistake and then put Lydian instead of Libyan.) But the dates are different (Libyan 549-301).
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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by markwatson360 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:54 am

OK , I think the rest are all OK.

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Divisional line-up and army allocations for Late Antiquity . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:08 am

Division A
dkalenda [9.19 (10)] - Kingdom of Soissons 461-486AD
harveylh [7.06 (8)] - Breton 411-579AD
Morbio [5.30 (5)] - Roman 197-284AD with Arab allies 312 BC-299AD
NikiforosFokas [4.48 (3)] - Palmyran 258-273AD
nyczar [3.92 (2)] - Scots-Irish 50 BC-476 AD
paulmcneil [3.17 (1)] - Ancient British 60BC-80AD with Roman allies 24BC-196AD
Schweetness101 [5.33 (6)] - Kushan 130BC-476AD
Snugglebunnies [7.83 (9)] - Byzantine 551-578AD
XLegione [5.77 (7)] - Sassanid Persian 350-476AD with Armenian allies 253-476AD
youngr [4.87 (4)] - Arab, City 300-633AD with Sassanid allies 591-628 AD

Division B
Challenge1 [5.00 (9)] - Hunnic (Western) 376-454 AD with Germanic Foot Tribes allies 260-599AD
cromlechi [3.85 (1)] - Scots-Irish 50-476AD
Cunningcairn [4.67 (6)] - Roman 379-424AD with Germanic/Gothic Horse Tribes allies 260-492AD
desertedfox [5.68 (10)] - Roman 24BC–196AD Jewish allies 64 BC-6AD
IMC [4.70 (7)] - Moorish 350-698AD
Karvon [3.87 (2)] - Parthian 250 BC-225AD with Arab allies 312BC-299AD
lydianed [3.87 (3)] - Sassanid Persian 350-476AD
Nijis [4.25 (4)] - Hephthalite 350-570AD
oscarius [4.35 (5)] - Germanic Foot Tribes 105 BC-259AD with Gallic allies 300-101BC
Questar17 [4.83 (8)] - Gepid 493-567AD with Germanic/Gothic Foot Tribes allies 260-599AD

Division C
Bluefin [3.02 (3)] - Hunnic 376-476 AD
ConstantinIX (0.00 (1)] - Roman 24BC–196AD with Jewish allies 64BC-6AD
Garokan [3.83 (9)] - Scots-Irish 50 BC-476AD
General Shapur [3.36 (7)] - Sassanid Persian 350-476AD with Kushan allies 130BC-476AD
MikeMarchant [3.25 (5)] - Arab Bedouin (300-636AD
phoyle3290 [3.88 (10)] - Lombard 493-567AD
rs2excelsior [3.33 (6)] - Palmyran 258-273AD
SawyerK [2.36 (2)] - Kingdom of Soissons 461-486AD with Germanic Foot Tribes allies 260-599AD
SLancaster [3.59 (8)] - Frankish 496-599AD with Visigothic allies 419-621AD
Ulysisgrunt [3.02 (4)] - Romano-British 407-599AD

Division D
baldrick52 [0.00 (3)] - Pictish 210-476AD
Barrold713 [2.69 (10)] - Dacian 89-106AD with Sarmatian allies 25-375AD
bomber23 [1.00 (6)] - Kingdom of Soissons 461-486AD with Germanic Foot Tribes allies 260-599AD
Doyley50 [2.28 (8)] - Roman 24-196AD
GeneralKostas [0.67 (5)] - Byzantine 551-578AD
ggarynorman [2.63 (9)] - Palmyran 258-273AD
Hyde77 [0.00 (4)] - Bosporan 11BC-375AD
Macedonczyk [0.00 (1)] - Jewish Revolt 66-135AD
Rob123 [1.98 (7)] - Roman 197-284AD with Arab allies 312BC-299AD
vvanttin [0.00 (2)] - Germanic Horse Tribes 260-492AD with Dacian (Carpi) allies 107-380AD

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:17 am

markwatson360 wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:50 am
I've found another one, iandavidsmith picked Egyptian 570-525 BC with Lydian Ally 630-461 BC. This isn't on my list. I'm checking through them all to winkle them out! (He could have clicked on the Egyptian 405-343BC list by mistake and then put Lydian instead of Libyan.) But the dates are different (Libyan 549-301).
PM sent to iandavidsmith querying this selection.

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Army selections by the end of Sunday please . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:39 am

If I can have all your army selections by the end of Sunday please so I can allocate armies early next week. I will be sending out group PM's as a reminder today as well. Please edit your original post in the recruitment thread rather than making a new post. Thanks very much. :D

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Divisional line-up and army allocations for Early Middle Ages . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:21 am

Division A
desertedfox [5.68 (4)] - Byzantine 988-1041AD
Geffalrus [7.43 (7)] - Indian, Rajput 650-1049AD
harveylh [7.06 (5)] - Andalusian 756-1049AD
melm [8.61 (9)] - German 933-1049AD with French allies 888-1049AD
NikiforosFokas [4.48 (1)] - Arab, Abbasid 815-835AD
Nosy_Rat [9.07 (10)] - Byzantine 963-987AD with Arab (Syria/Iraq) 890-1008AD allies
rbodleyscott [5.44 (3)] - Viking, Ireland 900-1049AD with Scots allies 851-1051AD
Sennacherib [7.15 (6)] - Frankish 751-887AD with Slav allies 500-832AD
Snugglebunnies [7.83 (8)] - Khorasanian 821-1003AD with Dailami allies 928-1055AD
youngr [4.87 (2)] - Arab, North Africa 789-999AD with Byzantine allies 963-987AD

Division B
Challenge1 [5.00 (9)] - Arab, Umayyad 685-750AD
Cunningcairn [4.67 (5)] - Frankish 751-887AD
GDod [3.81 (2)] - Polish 966-1057AD with Viking allies 900-1049AD
IMC [4.70 (6)] - Viking, Ireland 900-1049AD with Irish allies 900-1049AD
markwatson360 [4.97 (8)] - Rus 960-1053AD with Pecheneg allies 850-1122AD
Nijis [4.25 (4)] - Spanish 900-1049AD
nyczar [3.92 (3)] - Dailami 928-1055AD with Khorasanian allies 821-1003AD
paulmcneil [3.17 (1)] - Viking 900-1049AD with French allies 888-1049AD
Questar17 [4.83 (7)] - Byzantine 988-1041AD with Georgian allies 1008-1049AD
Schweetness101 [5.33 (10)] - Andalusian 756-1049AD

Division C
blobka [2.66 (4)] - Indian, Rajput 650-1049AD with Indian (Hindu North) allies 600-1049AD
cromlechi [3.85 (10)] - Welsh 600-1049AD with Viking allies 900-1049AD
Garokan [3.83 (9)] - Arab Conquest 638-984AD
General Shapur [3.36 (8)] - Polish 966-1057AD
Hyde77 [0.00 (1)] - Breton 580-931AD
lunecastle [2.72 (5)] - Anglo-Saxon 600-870AD with Welsh allies 600-1049AD
MikeMarchant [3.25 (7)] - Andalusian 756-1049 AD with Navarrese allies 778-899AD
pompeytheflatulent [0.00 (3)] - Byzantine 988-1041AD
remf220 [0.00 (2)] - Norman 923-1040AD
Ulysisgrunt [3.02 (6)] - Viking Ireland 900-1049 with Scots allies 851-1051AD

Division D
baldrick52 [0.00 (5)] - Viking, Ireland 780-899AD
bomber23 [1.00 (7)] - Polish 966-1057AD with Viking allies 900-1049AD
Brenmusik [2.00 (9)] - Welsh 600-1049AD
Doyley50 [2.28 (10)] - Anglo-Danish 1017-1041AD
grumpydaddy845 [0.00 (4)] - Viking 780-899AD
Macedonczyk [0.00 (6)] - Arab, Conquest 638-684AD
Rob123 [1.98 (8)] - Andalusian 756-1049AD with Spanish allies 900-1049AD
Spacemonkey76 [0.00 (2)] - Rus 960-1053AD with Pecheneg allies 850-1122AD
Swuul [0.00 (1)] - Dailami 928-1055AD with Armenian allies 885-1045AD
telesien [0.00 (3)] - Arab, Abbasid 794-814AD

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Divisional line-up and army allocations for Biblical . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:37 am

We have a third division in this section for the first time.

Division A
Cunningcairn [4.67 (2)] - Thracian 680-461BC with Greek allies 680-551BC
desertedfox [5.68 (4)] - Egyptian 664-571BC with Assyrian allies 681-609BC
dkalenda [9.19 (9)] - Assyrian 681-609 BC
harveylh [7.06 (6)] - Arab 1000-313BC
ianiow [9.56 (10)] - Syracuse 550-461 BC with Libyan allies 549-301BC
klayeckles [8.00 (8)] - Kyrenean 630-461BC with Libyan allies 549-301BC
Snugglebunnies [7.83 (7)] - Median 626-550BC with Babylonian allies 626-539BC
XLegione [5.77 (5)] - Lydian 550-546BC with Greek (Asiatic) allies 550-461BC
Ulysisgrunt [3.03 (1)] - Cypriot 680-550BC with Greek allies 680-461BC
youngr [4.87 (3)] - Babylonian 626-539BC with Median allies 626-550BC

Division B
batesmotel [4.81 (9)] - Kyrenean Greek 630-461BC with Libyan allies 549-301BC
cromlechi [3.85 (4)] - Cypriot 549-490BC with Greek allies 680-551BC
IMC [4.70 (8)] - Arab 1000-313 BC
lydianed [3.87 (5)] - Hebrew 681-586BC with Egyptian allies 664-571BC
markwatson360 [4.97 (10)] - Aetolian 550-461BC
MikeMarchant [3.25 (3)] - Assyrian 681-609BC with Median allies 836-627BC
nyczar [3.92 (6)] - Spartan 550-461BC with Corinthian allies 550-461BC
paulmcneil [3.17 (2)] - Lydian 550-546BC
pompeytheflatulent [0.00 (1)] - Median 626-550BC with Mannaean allies 750-610BC
Trogilus [3.93 (7)] - Carthaginian 550-411BC

Division C
baldrick52 [0.00 (3)] - Kyrenean Greek 630-461BC
Barrold713 [2.69 (6)] - Urartian 681-585BC with Skythian allies 550-301BC
blobka [2.66 (4)] - Corinthian 550-461BC
edb1815 [3.79 (9)] - Cypriot 680-550BC with Greek ally 680-461BC
Garokan [3.83 (10)] - Egyptian 570-525 BC
Hyde77 [0.00 (1)] - Spartan 680-551BC
iandavidsmith [2.67 (5)] - Carthaginian 550-411BC
kerrak [0.00 (2)] - Assyrian 681-609 BC with Arab allies 1000-313BC
lunecastle [2.72 (7)] - Babylonian 626-539BC with Median allies 626-550BC
rs2excelsior [3.33 (8)] - Lydian 550-546 BC

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Re: Biblical is now full. Reserve places only . . .

Post by cromlechi » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:14 pm

I think I just threw them in as a third choice as saw someone else had.picked them without much thought. Changed it now and my other choices. Sorry for any confusion. Cheers Adam

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Re: Tournament diary and news . . .

Post by grumpydaddy845 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:17 pm

stockwellpete, I just sent Chema-cagi a shout out over on steam so hopefully you will hear from him shortly if you haven't already.

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Important change! We are not using the Open Beta . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:58 am

THIS POST IS NOW VOID

Please go to . . . viewtopic.php?f=477&t=96392 . . . and download the new Open Beta either from the link provided in the post or from Steam. I have discussed the issue with Richard, the game designer, and we think that this is the least problematic way of proceeding. Here is part of Richard's PM that I received yesterday . . .

"If everyone used the open beta for the early games in the tournament it could work. Beta builds use a different server, so both players would have to use the Beta for their games, and would have to continue to do so for any ongoing games after the Update is officially released. (But could switch to the release version for games started after the release).

. . .

If players start games using the current release version there might be some replay anomalies the turn after the update goes live, resulting in the situation being different from what the other player saw in his turn, but this is so every time there is an update, and sadly we cannot coordinate updates to only occur between league rounds and Slitherine tournament rounds.

I can't test it, but as far as I can tell, the anomalies should only occur if a unit evaded from a pursuit charge in its own turn (not in the between turn phase) and then got charged in the enemy turn. Under the old code, it would be caught, under the new it would evade. Assuming that this is what happens in the replay, this would alter the random number sequence for anything else during the turn, thus possibly significantly changing the situation for other units. This combination of events is a fairly rare occurrence, so it probably would not occur in any of the game, but it might, and then one or both players might be aggrieved.

So . . . Get everyone to use the Open Beta for games started before the update is released. As these would have to continue to use the beta version even after the release, there would be no possibility of any anomalies even if any further changes were made in the release build. (Although none are planned, the beta might throw up a code change that needs to be made)."


Any anomalies that may occur will be considered "fortunes of war" and will not be considered a suitable reason for a re-start.

I will be sending a group PM to all players today with this message and I will amend the army lists shortly. We still have a week to go before the tournament starts so this should not cause us any major problems. Please post any queries in this thread.

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