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Re: End of season round-up

Post by stockwellpete » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:02 am

Barrold713 wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:05 am
And while he lives, he wields the boasted prize
Whose value all can feel, the weak, the wise;
Displays in triumph his distinguish'd boon,
The solid honours of the Wooden Spoon

I trust my collection of wooden spoons is extensive enough from the previous seasons to not really need another, but I accept it with grace. Next season promises improvement!
BDH
Overall, you had a much better season than previously and you stand a chance of getting a discretionary promotion to Division C in Classical Antiquity. I cannot say for sure yet until we see which players return to that Section in Season 4 but generally there is a slight upward drift for players who play regularly in the tournament.

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Re: End of season round-up

Post by stockwellpete » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:36 am

Just some statistics from the From Maurya to Alaric section concerning the overall results of the army match-ups. I did take a lot of care over pairing the armies prior to the season, but we have still ended up with some very lop-sided outcomes which suggests to me that some players will feel they were a bit unlucky with their army allocations. We are working on an alternative plan for Season 4 so this may be the last season where we offer nine separate match-ups in a league section, although there will still be an element of this sort of arrangement in future Themed Events.

The results for Season 3 were as follows . . .

Indians 6 wins, Seleucids 4 wins
Galatians 7 wins, Macedonians 2 wins, one match drawn
Nabataeans 1 win, Jewish 9 wins
Kushans 5 wins, Indo-Skythians 5 wins (this may be the best match-up in the game if you haven't tried it already)
Chinese Wei 4 wins, Chinese Shu 6 wins
Arab City 9 wins, Arab Bedouin 1 win
Chinese Jin 7 wins, Chinese Sixteen Kingdoms 3 wins
Welsh 2 wins, Romano-British 8 wins
Franks 6 wins, Visigoths 4 wins

So, if we use 3 wins as our benchmark, these figures suggest to me that 4 of the 9 match-ups were lop-sided, which is far too high really.

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Re: End of season round-up

Post by Ludendorf » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:18 am

Nice to see the Galatians vindicated. :D

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Re: End of season round-up

Post by Morbio » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:07 pm

Pete, thanks for running a well-manage league of many divisions, the work for you must be incredible. I want to thank you on behalf of all that participate. A great job, much appreciated! :)

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Re: Army statisics: FOG2DL

Post by stockwellpete » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:42 pm

Army records from Season 3 of the FOG2DL

Key to table
This is very straightforward. The numbers after the army name represent wins - draws (or ties) - losses. The table takes no account of the skill levels of the players using the army, it just gives the playing record of each of the armies that have been used in the competition. Obviously the higher the numbers involved with a particular army then the more meaningful the figures become as the disparity in skill levels between the various users is evened out.

Achaemenid Persian (545-481BC) 9-1-8
Achaemenid Persian (480-461BC) 4-0-5
Achaemenid Persian (419-329BC) 6-0-3
Ancient British (60BC-80AD) 5-1-3
Arab Bedouin (300-636 AD) 1-0-9
Arab, City (300-633AD) 22-1-14
Armenian (477-627AD) 2-0-7
Avars (558-631AD) 2-0-11
Bithynian (297-74BC) 3-0-6
Breton (411-579AD) 3-0-6
Byzantine (493-550AD) 11-3-20
Byzantine (551-578AD) 14-1-13
Carthaginian, Hannibal in Africa (202BC) 4-0-5
Carthaginian, Hannibal in Italy (216-203BC) 13-1-13
Chinese 3 Kingdoms Shu (221-263 AD) 6-0-4
Chinese 3 Kingdoms, Wei (220-265 AD) 4-0-6
Chinese Jin (317-420 AD) 7-0-3
Chinese Sixteen Kingdoms (304-439 AD) 3-0-7
Franks (496-599AD) 10-0-9
Galatian (280-63BC) 16-1-2
Gallic (300-101BC) 6-0-3
Gepid (493-567AD) 12-0-14
Germanic Horse Tribes (260-476AD) 8-1-9
Hepthalite Hunnic (350-570AD) 9-3-6
Hunnic (376-476AD) 2-4-3
Hunnic Sabir (463-558AD) 2-0-2
Huns Western (455-599AD) 5-1-3
Indian (500BC-319AD) 13-0-6
Indian (320-545AD) 10-0-8
Indian (546-599AD) 12-1-5
Indo-Greek (175BC-10AD) 1-0-8
Indo-Skythians (95 BC-50 AD) 5-0-5
Jewish (167-111BC) 15-0-4
Jewish Revolt (66BC) 3-0-6
Jewish Revolt (66-135AD) 9-0-0
Kingdom of Soissons (461-486AD) 4-2-3
Kushans (130 BC-476 AD) 5-0-5
Lombard (493-567AD) 5-0-3
Lombard (568-9AD) 1-0-10
Lysimachid (320-281BC) 5-4-9
Macedonian (355-329BC) 4-0-5
Macedonian (328-321BC) 4-0-5
Macedonian (320-261BC) 10-2-9
Nabataean (260-106BC) 3-2-14
Ostrogoths (493-561AD) 8-4-14
Palmyran (258-273AD) 7-4-16
Pergamene (190-129BC) 7-2-9
Pictish (477-850AD) 13-0-5
Ptolemaic (320-167BC) 5-1-3
Ptolemaic (166-56BC) 10-0-8
Ptolemaic (55-30BC) 6-0-3
Pyrrhic (280-272BC) 5-2-11
Rhoxolani (350-24AD) 9-8-10
Roman (199-106BC) 10-0-8
Roman (105-25BC) 11-1-15
Roman (197-284AD) 3-2-4
Romano-British (407-599AD) 31-0-6
Samnite (355-272BC) 14-0-4
Sassanid (350-476AD) 4-0-5
Sassanid (477-590AD) 8-1-17
Sassanid Persian (591-628AD) 16-1-10
Scots-Irish (50BC-476AD) 6-0-3
Scots-Irish (477-846AD) 9-4-5
Seleucids (302-301BC) 4-0-6
Seleucid (300-206BC) 10-2-15
Seleucid (205-167BC) 2-0-7
Slavs (500-599AD) 4-0-4
Spanish, Sertorius (80-70BC) 11-0-7
Spartan (550-461BC) 0-0-9
Visigoth (419-621AD) 18-1-18
Welsh (477-599AD) 7-2-19

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Re: Season 3 Tournament diary and news . . .

Post by pantherboy » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:24 pm

Thanks for running another great tournament.

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Re: Season 3 Tournament diary and news . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:16 pm

Thanks everyone for the kind words. Anders (hidde) has completed the player ratings and they are now posted. We are working on the archive. It is done for Season 3 but there are some tables and charts missing for previous Themed Events and we are currently trying to sort that out. I have posted both the full player and full army statistics up today and I will update the tournament records tomorrow.

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Re: End of season round-up

Post by nyczar » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:52 pm

Indeed, thanks for the fun.

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Re: FOG2DL records

Post by Morbio » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:53 pm

stockwellpete wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:51 am
Late Antiquity Division A - 57 pantherboy (Spanish Sertorius) beat shawkhan2 58-1 (Season 3)
What army was Shawkhan2 using? I ask because my big win was with Spanish Sertorius too... against Western Huns. Ironically, it was a battle in which I was offered a draw when the field was seen... I briefly considered it too! Fortunately I decided to give it a go...

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Re: FOG2DL records

Post by stockwellpete » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:01 pm

Morbio wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:53 pm
stockwellpete wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:51 am
Late Antiquity Division A - 57 pantherboy (Spanish Sertorius) beat shawkhan2 58-1 (Season 3)
What army was Shawkhan2 using? I ask because my big win was with Spanish Sertorius too... against Western Huns. Ironically, it was a battle in which I was offered a draw when the field was seen... I briefly considered it too! Fortunately I decided to give it a go...
shawkhan2 was using one of the Sassanid armies. I have filled the blank in chart now. :wink:

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Re: FOG2DL records

Post by hidde » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:11 pm

Classical Antiquity Division A - 44 shadowblack (Spartans) beat TheGrayMouser (Gallics) 49-5 (Season 1) and hidde (Gallics) beat NikiforosFokas (Hannibal in Africa) 48-4 (Season 3)
Nice illustration of my experience with the gallic list. Success on impact and they can be nearly unstoppable. If not...

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Re: FOG2DL records

Post by Morbio » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:38 pm

hidde wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:11 pm
Classical Antiquity Division A - 44 shadowblack (Spartans) beat TheGrayMouser (Gallics) 49-5 (Season 1) and hidde (Gallics) beat NikiforosFokas (Hannibal in Africa) 48-4 (Season 3)
Nice illustration of my experience with the gallic list. Success on impact and they can be nearly unstoppable. If not...
Yes, it's interesting that they are both hammering and hammered!

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Re: FOG2DL records

Post by rbodleyscott » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:14 pm

Most defeats in the FOG2DL
A bit harsh to publicize this. We don't want to discourage anyone.

But not this:
Most draws in the FOG2DL
Of which I appear to be among the guilty.
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Re: FOG2DL records

Post by stockwellpete » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:04 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:14 pm
Most defeats in the FOG2DL
A bit harsh to publicize this. We don't want to discourage anyone.
I think there are some fairly thick-skinned players in that group and I suspect Barrold713 is a bit peeved he is not at number one in the list. :lol: The players we tend to lose are those who lose heavily in their first season and they are never heard of again. Nevertheless, if players feel I should remove this section then I will do so. :wink:

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Re: End of season round-up

Post by stockwellpete » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:23 pm

I have posted up all the tournament records today. They can be found here . . . http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 01&t=87344

There are lots of interesting things to read including the fact that we have our first two centurions - players who have completed 100 FOG2DL matches - and they are shadowblack (104) and Ulysisgrunt (102). Well played to the both of you and I hope this time next year you will have reached 200 matches. :D

pantherboy (55) and dkalenda (51) are the first two players to reach 50 victories and our list of players who have achieved a 36 point maximum has increased to 9 players. Nobody has managed it twice yet and it is a feat that will be harder to achieve next season with the introduction of the marginal victory rule.

The last category in the records are the biggest winning margins in matches from the various sections of the tournament. The winning margins in the Late Antiquity section are absolutely huge with Ulysisgrunt achieving a 60 point winning margin in Season 2 and pantherboy a 57 point winning margin in the season just finished.

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Re: FOG Digital League archive

Post by stockwellpete » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:10 pm

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Re: FOG Digital League archive

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Re: FOG Digital League archive

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Re: FOG2DL records

Post by DzonVejn » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:49 pm

That losing list ain't a problem at all - it should actually be good for devs to check on which army lists might need some boost ups (and vice-versa: which lists need some tone downs). I knew Rhoxolani wouldn't do too well this seasons, considering the changes that were implemented (and I somewhat hope previous season had some impact on the said changes :) ), but I wanted to try them against the best players, all the same.

All in all - thanks Pete for the good season, and the opponents for nice games. See you all in February :).

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Re: FOG2DL records

Post by Barrold713 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:28 am

stockwellpete wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:04 pm
rbodleyscott wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:14 pm
Most defeats in the FOG2DL
A bit harsh to publicize this. We don't want to discourage anyone.
I think there are some fairly thick-skinned players in that group and I suspect Barrold713 is a bit peeved he is not at number one in the list. :lol: The players we tend to lose are those who lose heavily in their first season and they are never heard of again. Nevertheless, if players feel I should remove this section then I will do so. :wink:
I would not say peeved but I would say if my participation was not curtailed in Season 2 by the shoulder surgery, my collection of Wooden Spoons and therefore my standing in this list would surely have been increased. Win or lose, I have enjoyed the competition and meeting opponents from around the world. The experience has proven helpful in that this season I was close to having a winning record overall.

February's coming gents...the next time I see you...I'll be there. :mrgreen:

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