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Re: Poll on player army choices restriction

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:00 pm
by Geffalrus
stockwellpete wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:45 pm
At the moment a player can select Antigonids, Lysimachids, Macedonians and Ptolemaics as his four choices knowing full well that he will be allocated one of the pike armies. I would like that to stop really. And if there are four players in a division doing something similar then that division is going to end up with 4 pike armies in it and I think that is probably two too many.
This is starting to feel personal, as that has literally been my picking strategy for both my seasons of Classical. :wink:

That being said, I have come to enjoy my experience with the Palmyrans and the Polish, so I fully recognize the value trying new things. I'm still gonna #1 pick Antigonids every time in Classical, but maybe I'll choose some other types of armies for my backup picks. I don't inherently think that merging the Diadochi into one category is a bad idea. Though Morkin should watch out, as I've had my eyes on that Epirus army list for some time now.........

Re: Classical Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:17 pm
by Geffalrus
uneducated wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:52 pm
Between them and eternity lay only a river.
Just an FYI as this was something I didn't fully understand until fairly recently...........all streams in the game counter Macedonian pikes and lancers to some extent. Your basic stream does not count as "open ground" which is required for the Deep Pike POA and the Lancer POA to activate. Without open ground, both those units lose 100 POA on impact. The pikes will continue to lose that 100 POA in melee as well. In essence, the 72 point pike fights about as well as a 42 point hoplite. And that's just the little stream. Large Streams will disrupt most mounted and heavy infantry units, making them easy prey for medium foot. And finally, Deep Streams disrupt every unit except foot skirmishers, I believe.

The only hope a Macedonian army really has at that point is luring you across the river, or hard marching to cross somewhere else to face you on open ground. The second option is my preferred strategy. However, that is extremely hard to do against the Jewish army because of all the cheap medium foot they can bring. If you line the banks of the stream with Irregular Foot and some Zealots, there will be no open spot for an easy crossing. They'll need to try and force their way across, and that means relying on small numbers of Offensive Spears. That's a contest you want, as medium foot and offensive spears are not the strongest parts of the Hellenistic roster.

Luring you across usually involves having a ranged unit advantage. However, that's almost impossible for the Macedonians to achieve because the Jewish list ALSO has about a billion archers. Park your archers in the stream and shoot anyone who comes near. Put a line of your cheap mediums behind them, and you'll have a very strong position. Nothing is an automatic win, but you'll force the Macedonian player to work A LOT harder to beat you.

Re: Classical Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:23 pm
by uneducated
Geffalrus wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:17 pm
uneducated wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:52 pm
Between them and eternity lay only a river.
Just an FYI as this was something I didn't fully understand until fairly recently...........all streams in the game counter Macedonian pikes and lancers to some extent. Your basic stream does not count as "open ground" which is required for the Deep Pike POA and the Lancer POA to activate. Without open ground, both those units lose 100 POA on impact. The pikes will continue to lose that 100 POA in melee as well. In essence, the 72 point pike fights about as well as a 42 point hoplite. And that's just the little stream. Large Streams will disrupt most mounted and heavy infantry units, making them easy prey for medium foot. And finally, Deep Streams disrupt every unit except foot skirmishers, I believe.

The only hope a Macedonian army really has at that point is luring you across the river, or hard marching to cross somewhere else to face you on open ground. The second option is my preferred strategy. However, that is extremely hard to do against the Jewish army because of all the cheap medium foot they can bring. If you line the banks of the stream with Irregular Foot and some Zealots, there will be no open spot for an easy crossing. They'll need to try and force their way across, and that means relying on small numbers of Offensive Spears. That's a contest you want, as medium foot and offensive spears are not the strongest parts of the Hellenistic roster.

Luring you across usually involves having a ranged unit advantage. However, that's almost impossible for the Macedonians to achieve because the Jewish list ALSO has about a billion archers. Park your archers in the stream and shoot anyone who comes near. Put a line of your cheap mediums behind them, and you'll have a very strong position. Nothing is an automatic win, but you'll force the Macedonian player to work A LOT harder to beat you.
Oh, Geffalrus, thank you! If only you had been there...

Field of Glory could greatly benefit from enabling a third party view so that people could watch and comment on moves as they happen.

Re: Biblical: winners post your results here . . .

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:41 pm
by desertedfox
Div B

desertedfox - Egyptian 570-525 BC defeated MikeMUC - Assyrian 62 - 49

Truly incredible contest. At one stage I was like 45 to 25 down and looking at a big defeat.

Re: Biblical: arrange your matches here . . .

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:46 pm
by desertedfox
Div B

desertedfox - Egyptian 570-525 BC challenges

Ulysisgrunt - Cypriot 680-550 BC

PW 4321

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Re: Poll on player army choices restriction

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:08 pm
by gamercb
I am just a lowly player in Division C and my taking part is to play against different players. I choose different armies for the experience as it does not seem to matter what I choose, I am either a very bad general or my luck is low. It makes me sometimes wonder why I play, but the opponents are good.

So if others feel that they must play with the same army all the time, then so be it, it is their loss as far as I am concerned. I have never been a winning is everything person.

Re: Poll on player army choices restriction

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:23 pm
by SnuggleBunnies
I personally like any change that means more variety, and more players being exposed to different playstyles.

Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:49 am
by deve
Div C
deve (Dailami) defeated batesmotel (Khorasanian) 44-19

Re: Classical Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:38 am
by harveylh
Division A

harveylh - Ptolemaic 166-56 BC defeats ruskicanuk - Indo-Greek 175-10 BC, 50-23.

The Ptolemaic pikes were helped greatly by a relatively open battlefield and Cretan archers disrupted a key elephant charge before it could turn the tide. Good and tough game.

Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:39 am
by edb1815
Div C

edb1815 (Arab North Africa) defeated General Shapur (Ghaznavid) 49% - 17%

Re: Early Middle Ages: arrange your matches here . . .

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:44 am
by edb1815
Div C

edb1815 - Arab North Africa 1000-1160 AD (Byzantine 988-1041 AD allies)

challenges for:

Ulysisgrunt - Khazar 738-969

KiFi - French 888-1049

PSW: wolves
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Re: Poll on player army choices restriction

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:46 am
by stockwellpete
SnuggleBunnies wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:23 pm
I personally like any change that means more variety, and more players being exposed to different playstyles.
It doesn't look like this proposal is going to pass. Very disappointing and dull really given the wide range of armies with different allies that are now available. I will certainly bring in the Diadochi rule that will reduce the number of pike armies possible in a division in Classical Antiquity in future. This season the number of pike armies in each division was A-4, B-3, C-2 and D-3, but from next season the maximum permissible will be 3 (provided the Pyrrhic army is chosen as well as the two Diadochi armies allowed).

Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:56 am
by stockwellpete
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Re: Early Middle Ages: arrange your matches here . . .

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:25 am
by stockwellpete
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Re: Late Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:11 am
by NikiforosFokas
Div A
NikiforosFokas Jew's against Nosy_Rat Huns.
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Re: Late Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:15 am
by NikiforosFokas
Div A
NikiforosFokas Jew's against nyczar Scots.
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Re: Late Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:19 am
by NikiforosFokas
Div A
NikiforosFokas' Jews against youngr Ptolemaic.
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Re: Early Middle Ages: arrange your matches here . . .

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:25 am
by NikiforosFokas
Div A
Nikiforos' Arabs against GDod Gaznavids game is up.
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Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:10 am
by NikiforosFokas
Div A
Nikiforos' Arabs defeat Cunningcairn's Vikings, 45-14%.
Thanks for the game.

Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:01 am
by rbodleyscott
Division B

rbodleyscott (Franks + Vikings) defeated sunnyboy (Byzantines) 61:27

This despite being completely suckered in by sunnyboy's trap and having three units of Byzantine lancers emerge from the woods behind my engaged left flank and within charge range for the next turn.

Excellent tactical roleplaying by the devious Byzantines, but sadly their part-time troops were not up to the heavy fighting.