The Allies poll is now closed . . . 21-7 in favour of their introduction next season

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Would you like to see the new Allies feature used right across the FOG2DL from Season 6 onwards?

Poll ended at Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:50 pm

1. Yes
21
75%
2. No
7
25%
 
Total votes: 28

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The Allies poll is now closed . . . 21-7 in favour of their introduction next season

Post by stockwellpete » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:50 pm

This is a no-brainer as far as I am concerned. The Allies feature is an excellent addition to FOG2 and I would recommend that we roll it out right across the tournament from Season 6. This season it is just being trialled in Early Middle Ages. The poll will run for 2 weeks and players may change their vote if they wish to.

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by devoncop » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:56 pm

100% Yes from me.

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by Geffalrus » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:54 pm

I like the option, even if there will be times when I will choose not to have allies for various reasons.

Edit: I will, of course, be lobbying for the Antigonids to get some Greek allies. :wink:
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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by SnuggleBunnies » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:59 pm

The one problem I see with the feature is that it can make armies less unique. For example the Viking army tends to be based on heavy infantry shieldwalls. Pick French allies, however, and you have effective heavy infantry and an effective heavy cavalry wing. Is increasing this level of army flexibility desirable? I'm not sure, it depends on what people are looking for in league play...

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by Geffalrus » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:03 pm

SnuggleBunnies wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:59 pm
The one problem I see with the feature is that it can make armies less unique. For example the Viking army tends to be based on heavy infantry shieldwalls. Pick French allies, however, and you have effective heavy infantry and an effective heavy cavalry wing. Is increasing this level of army flexibility desirable? I'm not sure, it depends on what people are looking for in league play...
It might make certain mono-chromatic army lists a bit more competitive or at least more likely to find use in the league. I'd consider the Illyrian list if it had access to Greek or Gallic allies providing heavy cavalry and/or heavy infantry.

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by Karvon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:42 am

I think more variety is a good thing and it makes more armies viable for league play. A fair number of players opted for no allies.

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by ianiow » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:26 am

At the moment you only allow one army per nation to go into each league. With national army composition drastically changing due to allies, maybe it is time to rethink this rule?

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by stockwellpete » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:42 am

ianiow wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:26 am
At the moment you only allow one army per nation to go into each league. With national army composition drastically changing due to allies, maybe it is time to rethink this rule?
Do you think we should increase it to two armies per nation?

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by ianiow » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:46 am

stockwellpete wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:42 am
ianiow wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:26 am
At the moment you only allow one army per nation to go into each league. With national army composition drastically changing due to allies, maybe it is time to rethink this rule?
Do you think we should increase it to two armies per nation?
I would vote for just not identical. But I could live with your suggestion. :)

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by stockwellpete » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:56 am

ianiow wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:46 am
I would vote for just not identical. But I could live with your suggestion. :)
This time I have treated Viking and Viking (Ireland) as one nation, even though, strictly speaking, they are Danes and Norse. But, on the other hand, I have allowed more than one Arab army per division because these various dynasties were spread out over a large geographical area from North Africa to places like Syria and Iraq. So this slightly awkward situation would be resolved if we allowed two armies per nation in future.

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by Karvon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:59 am

Maybe a poll on that?

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by stockwellpete » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:10 am

Karvon wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:59 am
Maybe a poll on that?
Yes, we could do after this one. :wink:

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by General Shapur » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:52 pm

I would like it to be possible to choose an ally that may change in each game. This way one can make up for deficiencies in an army vs a variety of opponents. Do you think this is doable?
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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by edb1815 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:23 pm

General Shapur wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:52 pm
I would like it to be possible to choose an ally that may change in each game. This way one can make up for deficiencies in an army vs a variety of opponents. Do you think this is doable?
Possible make a selection of 2 allies to choose from up front as another option. Although I would note that some armies only have one or two possible allies anyway.

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:40 pm

General Shapur wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:52 pm
I would like it to be possible to choose an ally that may change in each game. This way one can make up for deficiencies in an army vs a variety of opponents. Do you think this is doable?
No, not as the game is currently structured as you have to specify the ally when making a challenge. In FOG1 you were able to change your allies for each game.

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:41 pm

edb1815 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:23 pm

Possible make a selection of 2 allies to choose from up front as another option. Although I would note that some armies only have one or two possible allies anyway.
That wouldn't work either for the same reason. :wink:

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by sunnyboy » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:34 am

Not sold on the ally option myself for the league, potential to have several quite similar armies in each division. Currently in Early Middle Ages B we have two armies with Viking allies, a Viking army and a Rus army. With the potential for Viking allies on a number of other army lists.

I see the limiting of selection to one army per nation as a strength of the league. It provides a degree of variety and complexity to the competition. I find it both challenging and rewarding to deal with a mismatch that favours your opponent.

The poll indicates the ally option is overwhelmingly popular, one suggestion would be to provide a similar limit on allies from a single nation as exists currently for army selection.
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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by General Shapur » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:57 am

sunnyboy wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:34 am
Not sold on the ally option myself for the league, potential to have several quite similar armies in each division. Currently in Early Middle Ages B we have two armies with Viking allies, a Viking army and a Rus army. With the potential for Viking allies on a number of other army lists.

I see the of limiting selection to one army per nation as a strength of the league. It provides a degree of variety and complexity to the competition. I find it both challenging and rewarding to deal with a mismatch that favours your opponent.

The poll indicates the ally option is overwhelmingly popular, one suggestion would be to provide a similar limit on allies from a single nation as exists currently for army selection.
Actually, thats a good point. Perhaps an army taking allies can be handicapped by a number of points to make up for the added flexibility. Thus people may need to consider if that flexibility is worth it.
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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by devoncop » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:32 am

I think one ally for the whole tournament is the way to do it as is the case now.

There is sufficient flexibility already in my view.

I have a concern that limiting allies to those different from the main force would be somewhat arbitrary . Yes some players have taken Vikings with Irish Viking allies which is powerful in the open but they are taking a big risk of they get dealt a mountainous hilly map.

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Re: Poll on new "Allies" feature

Post by stockwellpete » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:32 am

sunnyboy wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:34 am
The poll indicates the ally option is overwhelmingly popular, one suggestion would be to provide a similar limit on allies from a single nation as exists currently for army selection.
Yes, that would be possible to do,

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