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Re: The Discussion thread . . .

Post by bbogensc » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:34 am

(1) Fewer people are playing in league because its not well-designed not because of my dropping out for goodness sake. But, reading the post from Stockwellpete, I made the right decision. For Stockwellpete to put his buddy directly in Group A in Season 2 speaks for itself. How can the game be increasing in sales sand league play declining I wonder?

(2) On the continued snarky posts about re-loading... three months ago it was "impossible", one month ago it was a "conspiracy theory", then 3 weeks ago it was possible but "not workable as a strategy because there are controls", then 1 week ago it turns out the controls are very limited or nonexistent.

A snarky post seems to appear immediately telling any player that reports a concern that they are just wrong or paranoid, anybody who makes a formal report of cheating gets a sanction. So, under these conditions, I would not expect other players who experience game re-loading to raise concerns and probably they will just drop out of league or stop playing the game.

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Re: Semi-final draw live June 30th!

Post by stockwellpete » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:42 am

20 minutes or so and I shall be doing the draw. :wink:

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Re: The Discussion thread . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:54 am

bbogensc wrote:(1) Fewer people are playing in league because its not well-designed not because of my dropping out for goodness sake. But, reading the post from Stockwellpete, I made the right decision. For Stockwellpete to put his buddy directly in Group A in Season 2 speaks for itself. How can the game be increasing in sales sand league play declining I wonder?
Less people are playing in this season of the FOG2DL because it is the "summer season". This is normal. I expect there will be more players for the "autumn season" which starts in October. The player put directly into Division A is not a "buddy" of mine. I have never played against him or communicated with him before this season of the FOG2DL. Can you stop making unwarranted allegations please?
(2) On the continued snarky posts about re-loading... three months ago it was "impossible", one month ago it was a "conspiracy theory", then 3 weeks ago it was possible but "not workable as a strategy because there are controls", then 1 week ago it turns out the controls are very limited or nonexistent.

A snarky post seems to appear immediately telling any player that reports a concern that they are just wrong or paranoid, anybody who makes a formal report of cheating gets a sanction. So, under these conditions, I would not expect other players who experience game re-loading to raise concerns and probably they will just drop out of league or stop playing the game.
The question of cheating is not actually my responsibility as I have no technical role within Slitherine, and so when something like this arises I always refer the issue immediately to them. If you are not satisfied with the answers you have been given by Slitherine then take it up with them, not me, and not in this discussion forum either.

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Re: Semi-final draw live June 30th!

Post by stockwellpete » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:03 am

Semi-final draw
1. Ludendorf (Carthaginians, Hannibal in Africa 202BC) v ruskicanuk (Carthaginians 235-146BC)
2. hidde (Pyrrhic 280-272BC) v bbogensc (Carthaginians 262-236BC)

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Re: The Discussion thread . . .

Post by bbogensc » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:21 am

Yeah, its a little puzzling that a player you don't know and never communicated with went directly into Div A. Any other new player would need to play a calendar year of successful league games in order to make Div A. That was your decision, right? So, you ought to know the reasons for that decision and could explain at any time.

The problem I had when dropping out of league is that I reported a situation consistent with game-reloading occurring in league, both you and Slitherine knew this was possible at the time, and then you sanctioned me for making the report and claimed it was "impossible". If fact, you knew then it was possible as this was a problem all the way back with FOG multiplayer, let alone FOGII.

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Re: The Discussion thread . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:43 am

bbogensc wrote:Yeah, its a little puzzling that a player you don't know and never communicated with went directly into Div A. Any other new player would need to play a calendar year of successful league games in order to make Div A. That was your decision, right? So, you ought to know the reasons for that decision and could explain at any time.
Not puzzling at all. Nosy_Rat came second in the Legions Triumphant automated tournament beating mst007, devoncop and SpeedyCM in the process. All these are very good players with considerable FOG2DL experience. So I made the decision on that basis as I had a gap to fill in an "A" division. On his performance I rated him "B/A" and so he got an "A" and a "B" division. That is the explanation. Your insinuation that something else is going on is pathetic.
The problem I had when dropping out of league is that I reported a situation consistent with game-reloading occurring in league, both you and Slitherine knew this was possible at the time, and then you sanctioned me for making the report and claimed it was "impossible". If fact, you knew then it was possible as this was a problem all the way back with FOG multiplayer, let alone FOGII.
Rubbish. You dropped out of Season 2 of the league two days after it started. The incident you are referring to happened in Season 1. So why did you enter Season 2 if you have such a low opinion of what is offered in the FOG2DL? My suspicion is that you deliberately tried to cause disruption at the start of the tournament.

My understanding is that if people do re-load turns, it is recorded on the server and Slitherine then intervenes. That is what they tell me and I believe them. I am completely in their hands as far as monitoring player activity is concerned. I am not an employee of Slitherine.

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Re: The Discussion thread . . .

Post by bbogensc » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:06 am

I was not referring to Nosy_Rat. He is a fantastic player with a solid track record. I am obviously referring to the other player you put in Div A.

If you recall, I inquired before Season 2 started that I was concerned the re-loading turns issue had not been addressed. You then told me we should not talk about this on the forums. Ring any bells? I also thought by dropping out a person on the waiting list would get to play instead and that person might enjoy being in league. Are you saying now you did not have reserve players for league? Really, you are just making any personal attack against me you can think of

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Re: The Discussion thread . . .

Post by bbogensc » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:15 am

On the reloading turns, a veteran player actually reported he got the warning, and the process is extremely loose so it allows new players to reload, at minimum. Also, when I made the first report to you and Slitherine months ago, that player I reported then appears to have gotten the warning for activity during my league match, then lost his next 5 consecutive public games, presumably because he could not reload his turn anymore. If this does not constitute a proper and valid report, then there really is no situation that ever would.

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Re: The Discussion thread . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:12 am

bbogensc wrote:I was not referring to Nosy_Rat. He is a fantastic player with a solid track record. I am obviously referring to the other player you put in Div A.
Who then?
If you recall, I inquired before Season 2 started that I was concerned the re-loading turns issue had not been addressed. You then told me we should not talk about this on the forums. Ring any bells? I also thought by dropping out a person on the waiting list would get to play instead and that person might enjoy being in league. Are you saying now you did not have reserve players for league? Really, you are just making any personal attack against me you can think of
You had been answered by Richard in detail during Season 1 and then just before Season 2 started you raised it all over again. I don't want your unsubstantiated allegations of widespread cheating to tarnish the FOG2DL. I put a lot of work into it, thanks. So raise your concerns in the main Slitherine forum so Richard can deal with them, not in the FOG2DL or KO Tournament forums. The monitoring of player's behaviour regarding possible cheating is nothing to do with me, it is Slitherine's responsibility and I am guided entirely by them.

So you are now saying you left the league after two days for altruistic reasons. Amazing. :roll: I wonder how the players who you had started matches with felt about it? And I did not immediately have enough players to cover your 5 places because I had to take one of the slots even though I have hardly played for the last couple of months. I also had to re-write all the fixture schedules and charts/tables because I keep everything in alphabetical order.

I think players can see exactly what you are like. You don't even have the decency to wait until the KO Tournament is over. Even though you are still playing in something I have organised you are still slagging me off and making unwarranted accusations.

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Re: The Discussion thread . . .

Post by bbogensc » Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:01 pm

Sure, I'm just an evil person and just treat me like a piece of dirt personally attacking me over and over again with no point as far as I can tell. I spend many hours each week organizing the most popular FOGII campaign, which is nearly as popular as your entire sponsored league, and to be treated like this is just outrageous. You should be ashamed of yourself. I am ashamed for you and won't be in touch with you further.

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Re: Arrange your matches here . . .

Post by Ludendorf » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:06 pm

Ludendorf (Hannibal in Africa 202BC) challenges ruskicanuk (Carthaginians 235-146BC). Password is 'romanscurse', or possibly 'romancurse'. PM sent.

Good luck, and well done on making it to this late stage.

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Re: The Discussion thread . . .

Post by klayeckles » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:05 am

bbogensc wrote:Sure, I'm just an evil person and just treat me like a piece of dirt personally attacking me over and over again with no point as far as I can tell. I spend many hours each week organizing the most popular FOGII campaign, which is nearly as popular as your entire sponsored league, and to be treated like this is just outrageous. You should be ashamed of yourself. I am ashamed for you and won't be in touch with you further.

bbog.... seems you're pretty angry over this, and have been for a while
couple thoughts.
we're not playing for money.
most players are having a great time, and are honorable.
the staff are doing their damnedest to bring us a game experience second to none. of course that means pleasing a couple hundred folk
you certainly have a passion for the game and are an outstanding player...one of the best.
the community is relatively small...some players here have faced each other for nearly 10 years going back to FOG 1.
So you've got some beefs...i do too, like the elected official that represents me is a ego maniac...that's a real problem. we come to this forum to have some fun, and make some friends--this discussion thread doesn't cover any of that. How about just facing the fact that the system might not be perfect (like everything else on the planet), and sitting back and enjoying it despite the issues we all might have. if once in 50 games we lose because someone rolled the dice a second time...hey i'm willing to shake my head and live with it, and i bet it won't impact our world standings in FOG...and if it does...who is this klayeckles and bbogensc, and all the rest anyway? :roll:

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Re: Arrange your matches here . . .

Post by hidde » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:18 am

Challenge posted for bbogensc.
PW=semi
PM sent

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Re: Winners post your result here . . .

Post by Ludendorf » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:55 am

Ludendorf (Carthaginians: Hannibal in Africa 202BC) defeats ruskicanuk (Carthaginians: Hannibal in Africa 235-146BC) 0-17%. Opponent surrendered.

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Re: Winners post your result here . . .

Post by bbogensc » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:54 pm

bbogensc (Carthage 262-236BC) defeats hidde (Pyrrhic) 51-9%.

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Re: Tournament results

Post by stockwellpete » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:47 pm

Semi-final results

1. Ludendorf (Carthaginians, Hannibal in Africa 202BC) beat ruskicanuk (Carthaginians 235-146BC) 17-0
2. bbogensc (Carthaginians 262-236BC) beat hidde (Pyrrhics 280-272BC) 51-9

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The KO Final match status

Post by stockwellpete » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:56 pm

The Final

1. Ludendorf (Carthaginians, Hannibal in Africa 202BC) v bbogensc (Carthaginians 262-236BC).............. in progress

Match to be completed by 9pm (BST) July 29th.

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Re: Tournament diary and news

Post by stockwellpete » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:00 pm

Both semi-finals have been completed very quickly so I have given the two finalists, Ludendorf and bbogensc, the option of starting their match before the original start date of July 15. The deadline for completion is unchanged on July 29th.

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Re: Arrange your matches here . . .

Post by Ludendorf » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:39 pm

Ludendorf (Carthaginians: Hannibal in Africa 202BC) challenges bbogensc (Carthaginians 262-235BC). PM sent. Password is 'finale'.

Alea iacta est and all that. May Fortuna shine on us both.

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Re: The KO Final match status

Post by stockwellpete » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:02 pm

Adjudication for the Final

As bbogensc boycotted the final and did not accept the challenge from Ludendorf, the match has been adjudicated in favour of Ludendorf (voting 3-0).

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