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Alexandrian and Seleucids

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:11 am
by Scruff
Hiya guys

Quick figure question, How similar were these troops in uniforms etc as im leaning towards maybe a Seleucid army and really like the look of Xyston figures from their Alexandrian range. Would these figures fit?

http://www.xyston.com/acatalog/alexandr ... onian.html

cheers

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:08 am
by frpat
Probably - what period of the Selecids are you looking at? early - no worries. But for the later (ie the chaps in Rise of Rome) you would need to look elsewhere for a number of your troops - the Cataphracts, for instance. The Later elephants wouls also need to be sourced from somewhere else - they would have towers & (quite possibly) armour.

Dunno when/if Xyston are going t odo the later Seleucid stuff - they seem to have had abig delay of late.

X - his Mark

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:22 am
by Scruff
I already have a small few seleucids from the end of 7th edition days when I started to build one, no idea on manufacturer, but cataphracts I already have, nothing else left thou as I got a nice offer on the pike I had but that was like 10 yrs ago.

cheers

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:20 pm
by willb
nice pike figures by xyston. though they are in the "i surrender" pose :D

Seleucids

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:44 pm
by expendablecinc
I have a later seleucid army that is from Xyston wherever possible. For elephants I recommend irregular miniatures and/or gladiator. I have one of each.

http://expendablecic.tripod.com/seleucid/index.htm

I used standard alexandrian pike and xyston seleucid pike to distinguish between the average and superior chaps. Bascially towards the latter period the seleucids descended into barbaric pants-wearing behoviour.

hence:
later companions and agema
ANC20125-'Persian' Xystophoroi
later pike
ANC20107-Pantodapoi Phalangites

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:31 am
by willb
there is also mention of them wearing chainmail in the later period

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:23 am
by Scruff
ooops teach me to post before checking on atrocious spelling ....

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:23 am
by Scruff
expendablecinc, Thats a nice looking army you have there mate :)

and you have also given me a nice look at what some of the Xyston figs paint up like, very nice ....

So I took the plunge and ordered a couple bags of cav and a few more bags of pike to get me started, some of the other stuff can be borrowed in mean time form all the different armies the guys have here at the moment as I start expanding them.

cheers

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:06 am
by Nomad
willb wrote:there is also mention of them wearing chainmail in the later period
It's a long time since I researched and painted my Ptolemies, but the situation then seemed to be there was no evidence for pikemen in chainmail. Needless to say, I found this out just *after* painting a batch of old Minifigs phalangites wearing...you guessed it...

The idea seemed to be that by the time chainmail was becoming widespread, most hellenistic armies were moving to peltasts as their main foot type - hence the switch from Thureophoroi to Thorakitai.

That all may be out of date or just plain wrong, tho :D

Very nicely painted army, BTW.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:38 pm
by willb
iirc the mention of seleucid pike in chainmail is from judas macabee,

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:38 pm
by nikgaukroger
And IIRC it doesn't actually say they are pikemen ...

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:34 am
by Scruff
Well figs arrived today from Xyston, not too bad, thou 1 of the pikeman poses has a bit of a miscast alignment issue and needs some filing and trimming to fix up. Ordered after the rules were notified as sent from amazon, still no books....

Anyone have any good websites as to what coloring to paint them all up as?

cheers

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:24 am
by nikgaukroger
Scruff wrote:
Anyone have any good websites as to what coloring to paint them all up as?

This may help - http://ancientbattles.com/