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I can continue, but if there is only me, Antigonids and Seleucid it will feel a bit desolate (apparently some wanker murdered bunch of peopleGeffalrus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:13 pm Hey folks. Just checking in to see who's still in the game and who's checked out. I know devon's out (but probably lurking). Desertedfox put up a good fight, but is now in dire straights.
I'm engaged in a regular military back and forth with ledo (Carthage), but I just noticed that this turn his multiplayer icon disappeared. I have no problem if major players want to move on - I just want to know for sure, as that has important diplomatic implications.
). Unless you guys want to do a last great war (I wonder what that would be 
) I would be ready to call it quits.
Agreed. It forces weird strategic decisions and exacerbates the finicky-ness of how attack/defense gets determined in individual cases. Being at such a disadvantage defensively with most armies where attack values > defense values makes it super annoying to prosecute wars. I've stated it elsewhere, but that dynamic makes decent sense for generals who are planning the campaigns (some being better at invading or defending), and almost no sense for individual units. Pikes and elephants, for example, should be just as potent unit-wise defending as attacking.
Looking at the picture I'd also wonder why you have some skirmishers standing in the rear when the majority of your skirmish line is empty!Geffalrus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:48 pmAgreed. It forces weird strategic decisions and exacerbates the finicky-ness of how attack/defense gets determined in individual cases. Being at such a disadvantage defensively with most armies where attack values > defense values makes it super annoying to prosecute wars. I've stated it elsewhere, but that dynamic makes decent sense for generals who are planning the campaigns (some being better at invading or defending), and almost no sense for individual units. Pikes and elephants, for example, should be just as potent unit-wise defending as attacking.
But honestly, the thing I hate more is the frontage calculations. Like in the below battle, for example:
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Why in the ever loving fork are my elephants in the support rank!?!?!? Their ranged attack is worse than normal archers - AND - their support bonus is much, much worse. The algorithm is just completely off and massively frustrating. Hopefully the update will fix all that?
Yes. One spot is taken by a random normal skirmisher, 2 slots are taken by Elephants, and the other 3 are taken properly by Lydian Archers. That leaves 4 Cilician Archer units not involved in support where their ranged/support abilities would be supremely helpful. As well as 3 light cavalry units that would be better at range and support than both the elephants and the foot skirmisher. It's a complete mess.
Archer units always start in the support rank. Skirmishers start in front and then pass through the melee line to take up space in the support rank. It's just for show really. There's no mechanical reason for the difference.
