1700 to 1762

[Blucher007]

Is Slitherine and FOG going to either develop rules for, or publish an addenum, FOGR covering the early 18th century? I would really like to have the added period of time covered by the rules system.

[deadtorius]

There was some talk about it when the rules first released. Terry seemed to feel it would require a whole new rule set to properly cover the period and also allow for smaller armies for such theaters as North America etc.

[Adraeth]

I think the Emperors and Eagles army lists for the revolutionary period shoul be a start for the seven years war; having prussian/russian and austrian army as sample armies

[terrys]

We have certainly considered a revised set of rules for the 7YW, using FOGN as a basis.
Haven't started it as yet, but it's next on my long list of things to do.....

[Jilu]

I think the Emperors and Eagles army lists for the revolutionary period shoul be a start for the seven years war; having prussian/russian and austrian army as sample armies

well no, the armies evolved a great deal over the period

you cannot use a similar army for the Prussians at the start of the war where the quality of troups and command was superior to other armies, and thelast years where heavy artillery had to be used as battalion guns to supplement the weaker effectivenes of the infantry. Just as the austrians more and more relied on fortifications in the later years.

It would be interesting to see how the oblique order system would be solved.....i see it as a flank march, or better a repositioning after initial deployment.

[Blucher007]

Thanks for the heads up, why not make the rules an extension of FOGR? That would allow for the early period and some of the more outlandish units available in North America, India and Middle East?

[BrettPT]

Thanks for the heads up, why not make the rules an extension of FOGR??

Because [ducking for cover now] FoGN is a better game system than FoGR?

[KendallB]

From what I've seen and heard, FoGR doesn't have a decent command and control system. Something I think pretty important for horse and musket rules.

[shadowdragon]

From what I've seen and heard, FoGR doesn't have a decent command and control system. Something I think pretty important for horse and musket rules.

I've adapted FoGR for the War of the Spanish Succession (WSS) and was happy with the results. I'm not sure I'd want to use an adapted FoGN for the WSS due to the evolving nature of infantry and cavalry during that period; and I prefer to have some continuity of the WSS with the 1690's from the perspective of miniature basing and the economical re-use of figures.

However, on the other hand I wouldn't use FoGR for anything later than that the WSS. I'd would prefer to see FoGN adapted for that purpose.

[Blucher007]

Agree the C2 could use some work from FOGR, however I think the rules are not far off, staff had not been fully devleoped, command by one visual distance, Army size remained comparatively small compared to the Napoleonic period and what we would consider modern Army structures had not been fully devleoped, ie Brigades, Division and Corps (at least not in their Napoleonic sense). So the period is probably better linked to the Rennaissance than Napoleons period. Just throwing it out there!

[Sarmaticus]

While not of the size of Leipzig, Malplaquet was about the size of Austerlitz; Oudenarde considerably bigger.

[Rekila]

We have play various SYW games using both FOGR and FOGN, and FOGN works better. I will even say that by the time of the SYW, linear tactics were quite unsatisfactory. The Prussian, Austrian and French, feel the need to try new tactical systems and FOGN shows that better that more specific XVIII century rules. We play with only one small change of the rules; infantry units assaulted by cavalry can`t change to square but don’t need to test for cohesion if assaulted frontally in an extended line supported on both flanks. Emperor and eagles has a minimal rule adaptation for revolutionary armies and something like that could be made for the SYW.

[Blucher007]

I was going to try Koenigs Krieg. Anyone played them?

The issue for me is that FOGR covers up to 1700 pretty well and 14 years extra isnt much of a stretch. They key issue here in regard to the argument which to use FOGN or FOGR is that the SWS marks the change to what we consider modern armies, but it is the very start of the change so except for the general withdrawal of pike from infantry units, there is little difference in the amies prior. The command issues were the same. Structures were less formal and less coordinated. Individual officers told regiments to go do stuff and they went of interpreted their orders and did stuff, not always the right stuff depending on the colonel or brigade commander. Thats what I see from my reading.

So can any one recommend a set of rules fo the SWS?

[Jilu]

The basic units should be regiment level even maybe batallion, there were no divisions, quality of Army leaders should not be as generic as in FOGN (to many exceptional leaders in my view).
Batalion guns, some units had them others not.
Skirmishers/croats/light inf functioned differently.