The tortoise and the hare (War is over)

After action reports for Commander Europe at War.

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Turn 63

Post by massina_nz » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:38 am

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Germans retreat again and leave Pskov to me
I really am surprised by this, I advance and begin my first tentative attack on Tallinin

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Germans retreat in France as well. I’m surprised again, Paris is empty, does my opponent realise that taking Paris will help me immeasurably as it will provide rail capacity in continental Europe, speeding the advance of new troops to the front. Turin is also taken this turn.

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Algiers is taken, freeing up the Free French ARM, as there are no more Vichy ports to worry about.

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I bombard Grozny by Air but my land troops need replacements before attacking again. The FTRs all get 1:0 combat odds against the MECH units, which is better odds than versus the INF units. So several FTRs attack German MECHs and I’m able to reduce the MECH next to Grozny by swapping step damage. Also notice the German FTR has left the Oilfield

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Turn 64

Post by massina_nz » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:35 am

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Vs my 300PP I estimate the Germans have about 200PP, but don't forget the about 40PPs of convoys per turn I've been getting uninterrupted for the last two years.

MUD returns to Central Europe - so it's back to Tech upgrades again.

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Germans manage to destroy one of my INFs

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I respond, getting good results versus Grozny and below par ones for the Panzer next to it.

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Tallinin holds out

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Turn 65 - 4 March 1943

Post by massina_nz » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:13 am

What starts off as looking like a pretty sedate turn proves otherwise. Just one of of those turns when all the 50/50 results go in your favour.

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Germans sacrifice the 1-step infantry in Grozny to train in a new Hungarian unit

I need to start moving my FTRs to other Sectors in case the Germans attempt an offensive elsewhere in Russia, so I expect I'll put less heat on the Germans in the Caucauses.

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My turn starts pretty poorly, it's MUD again in Central Europe, I can't even take an unoccupied Paris due to the boggy roads. In Italy the Germans have retreated the GAR from Ancona to prevented it being bombarded to death. I have a choice do I use my refreshed UK TACs in FAIR weather Italy (in Montgomery's command range now) to bomb the GAR to eliminate it or to hit Genoa instead. I go for the former option and both attacks do nil damage, damn. I was hoping I could place a Free French transport next to Ancona without being seen.

Next I send a couple of American TACs against Genoa, and they do really well, removing 4 steps, so well in fact that the follow-up MECH and INF attacks actually take the city.

In France the RAF take more pot shots at GARs in the open and do some good damage (and gain experience) but I undermine this by sending a couple of FTRs against a GAR in a city and they loss a few steps instead. Best to stick to bombing GARs in the open. I ready some forces to attack Brest and Cherbourg when the FAIR weather returns.

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In Russia I finally take Tallinin.

With all the forces concentrated around Astrakhan, then I really need to take that city ASAP so I can release the forces to other sectors. So I make Astrakhan my #1 priority. Two TACs, then an ARM attack and then 3 INF attacks take the city. Good start, but it gets better.

My FTRs are still getting good odds and good results against German MECHs, I'm able to destroy the one to teh East of Grozny and advance an INF unit to also take out the 4-step INF unit that had retreated. Then on to Grozny, two TAC attacks take 4 steps off the defender and the INF attacks are able to take the city. That was better than expected or even planned. With Grozny taken it will be hard for the Germans to hold here. I'm glad I didn't build a second Russian STR to bomb their own oilfields, as it looks like I will be able to retake them shortly. Looks like my strategy to build a massive (6) Russian FTR force over the 41/42 winter has finally paid off.

So what looked like being an average turn for me resulted in the destructon of 6 German units (4 INF and 2 MECH) and the net gain of 10.5PPs in cities.

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Turn 66

Post by massina_nz » Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:09 am

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FAIR weather finally and the Germans retreat – looks like sizeable forces in the Netherlands, it’s not going to be easy getting into Germany.

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Riems taken, Lille reduced, Brest taken but Cherbourg holds out, I now have 5 full strength UK TACs in this sector. Paris also taken, so I have rail ability now in mainland Europe.

A 2-step u-boat turns up at New York, stopping a TAC going to Europe.

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Germans retreat in Italy as well.

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Milan holds out despite good predicted odds, Free French forces are set to land in Eastern Italy. I should be able to cut-off mainland Italy next turn.

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Germans also retreat in the Caucauses.

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By destroying the ARM holding the oil-field, I’m able to surround a German INF, as well as taking out a 2-step MECH with TACs – aim is to keep touch with Germans so can eliminate as many units as possible whilst the Germans are out of rail range.

Be interesting to see if the Germans attempt to relieve the surrounded INF corp or leave them to their fate.

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Turn 67

Post by massina_nz » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:31 am

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Germans retreat again in the west.

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With all my air-power I'm able to take 4 cities and Lorrraine, that's a 20PP net gain to me.

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Venice almost taken and central Italy is sealed, btu I only netted one INF in the Gustav line, which I will jsut leave a couple of Allied units to pin. I will sgtart to re-base my STRs to Northern Italy so they can start bombing East German cities.

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Germans retreat towards the Don.

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I'm only able to destroy a single INF in pursuit and it looks like most of the Germans troops will be able to make it back to the Rail zone.

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Post by Peter Stauffenberg » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:54 pm

It seems to me that Supermax put too much effort into Russia. It won't help to keep some of Russia through 1944 if the western Allies cross the Siegfried line in 1943.

Finding the balance between the efforts in the west, south and east is needed for the Axis player to win.

This game is interesting because it shows the importance of Italy. People think the Italian units are crap, but they relieve the Germans of some important duties to allow the Germans to concentrate their best units where they're needed the most. Using Italian units for garrison duty means less strain on the German manpower level.

So I guess this game is good proof that it's absolutely vital to garrison key coastal cities.

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Post by Rhialto » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:44 pm

This game was like watching Fischer blundering by leaving a rook en prise while playing Petrosian. With the loss of Italy the game became unwinnable for the Axis, and much less interesting compared to seeing how the blitz on Egypt would have turned out.

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Post by rkr1958 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:14 pm

Rhialto wrote:With the loss of Italy the game became unwinnable for the Axis, and much less interesting compared to seeing how the blitz on Egypt would have turned out.
I bet that's not true for Massina.

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Post by shawkhan » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:42 pm

In this case the tortoise, slow and meticulous, beat out the flashy showmanship of the Hare, the more brilliant but erratic player. It would be more interesting to end this uninteresting match soon and begin the re-match. With blood in his eye, Supermax should be fun to watch, while Massina bides his time, watching for the critical misstep.

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Post by Rhialto » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:00 pm

Yes, but unfortunately, the novelty introduced by Max in this game - namely attempting to take advantage of the inactivated UK forces in Egypt with a surprise massive early amphibious invasion with the objective of getting to the Middle East before Russian activation - may not be repeatable due to the GS team planning to fix this loophole. Even if they don't, allied players are likely to guard against this possibility eg. by placing RN forces in a better position to intervene. We may never see in a competitive game how this would work out.

shawkhan wrote:In this case the tortoise, slow and meticulous, beat out the flashy showmanship of the Hare, the more brilliant but erratic player. It would be more interesting to end this uninteresting match soon and begin the re-match. With blood in his eye, Supermax should be fun to watch, while Massina bides his time, watching for the critical misstep.

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Post by Peter Stauffenberg » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:55 pm

Where have you heard that we are trying to plug this loophole? We are NOT. If you want to spend a lot of PP's overusing your transport capacity then go ahead.

Most Allied players will have a sub in the Med seeing Axis transports sailing east. Not having a reserve of units in Egypt is poor play. So no need for us to plug any holes. Supermax'es mistake was not to make the invasion, but leaving Rome ungarrisoned. I don't think we will see that mistake again.

An Axis invasion in Egypt behind the Allied line has happened before Supermax did it and will happen again. We won't change that.

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Post by Plaid » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:19 pm

Its very hard to land succesfully in the Egypt without allied player shipping coastal garrisons away.

I think you are likely to find landing forces in trouble when weak italian fleet will be sunk.

So why shall it be even fixed?

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Post by ncali » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:23 pm

shawkhan wrote:It would be more interesting to end this uninteresting match soon and begin the re-match. With blood in his eye, Supermax should be fun to watch, while Massina bides his time, watching for the critical misstep.
I am still enjoying watching how this AAR is playing out and am happy both players are playing it to the end. Supermax still had a chance to at least avoid an Allied ultimate victory after Italy fell. The major factor in the outcome here may turn out to be what Stauffenberg referred to in terms of a balance between the East and West front.

In any case, I appreciate players that will play to the end or at least until the point where there is absolutely no doubt as to the outcome! On to Berlin!

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Post by massina_nz » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:36 am

As the Allied player I would never again send the Middle-eastern GARs away like I did in this game. I guess my mistake was not as game-changing as my opponents. And I wasn't looking forward to the early invasion of Egypt.

I think if the Germans had spent more effort on expelling me from Spain and France then I wouldn't be in the position I'm in now. Another thing that isn't obvious is that my convoys have been arriving pretty much untouched since the beginning of the game. Thus the UK is very strong, it's earning over 150PPs a turn including convoys at the moment.

I've played on to see if I could get an Ultimate Allied victory, which looked a bit doubtful in late 1941.

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Turn 68

Post by massina_nz » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:26 am

Rather than attempt any Mjaor offensives, I instead upgrade many of my troops in readiness for some assaults next turn

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Post by massina_nz » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:36 am

Rhialto wrote:This game was like watching Fischer blundering by leaving a rook en prise while playing Petrosian. With the loss of Italy the game became unwinnable for the Axis, and much less interesting compared to seeing how the blitz on Egypt would have turned out.
Gosh is my playing style that dull? :)

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Post by rkr1958 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:08 pm

massina_nz wrote:
Rhialto wrote:This game was like watching Fischer blundering by leaving a rook en prise while playing Petrosian. With the loss of Italy the game became unwinnable for the Axis, and much less interesting compared to seeing how the blitz on Egypt would have turned out.
Gosh is my playing style that dull? :)
I'm certainly enjoying it. :D

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Post by Rhialto » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:22 pm

Aww.... c'mon. It was a compliment, if a little back-handed. The guy was a world champion after all:



Petrosian was a conservative, cautious, and highly defensive chess player who was strongly influenced by Nimzowitsch's idea of prophylaxis. He made more effort to prevent his opponent's offensive capabilities than he did to make use of his own. He very rarely went on the offensive unless he felt his position was completely secure. He usually won by playing consistently until his aggressive opponent made a mistake, securing the win by capitalizing upon this mistake without revealing any weaknesses of his own.

A number of illustrative metaphors have been used to describe Petrosian's style of play. Harold C. Schonberg said that "playing him was like trying to put handcuffs on an eel. There was nothing to grip." He has been described as a centipede lurking in the dark, a tiger looking for the opportunity to pounce, a python who slowly squeezes his victims to death, and as a crocodile who waits for hours to make a decisive strike. Boris Spassky, who would succeed Petrosian as World Chess Champion, described his style of play as such: "Petrosian reminds me of a hedgehog. Just when you think you have caught him, he puts out his quills."


massina_nz wrote: Gosh is my playing style that dull? :)

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Post by shawkhan » Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:25 pm

Hey, I thought my comment was clever as well, since it matched the title of the thread. Never thought to use chess metaphors, but the name Jose Raoul Capablanca comes to mind in regards to one of these worthy opponents, and the troubles he had after chess players began to extensively prepare openings.

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Post by massina_nz » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:19 am

Rhialto wrote:Aww.... c'mon. It was a compliment, if a little back-handed. The guy was a world champion after all:
massina_nz wrote: Gosh is my playing style that dull? :)
NP - I got it.

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