My problems with the new edition.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by mschund » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:36 pm

My game just froze up during the replay portion of my opponent's move after four or five of his units moved... as an aside, I prefer the skip replay option, but this version does not seem to provide that or am I missing something... Mike

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by stockwellpete » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:43 pm

mschund wrote:My game just froze up during the replay portion of my opponent's move after four or five of his units moved... as an aside, I prefer the skip replay option, but this version does not seem to provide that or am I missing something... Mike
No, I have not been able to avoid the replays either. it is very frustrating all round at the moment.

Edit: There is a "Skip to End" button that is inactive at the moment that might be the answer when activated. There are also mysterious "Play Next" and "Change Mode" buttons and I don't know what they are for.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by Towerbooks3192 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:46 pm

stockwellpete wrote:
mschund wrote:My game just froze up during the replay portion of my opponent's move after four or five of his units moved... as an aside, I prefer the skip replay option, but this version does not seem to provide that or am I missing something... Mike
No, I have not been able to avoid the replays either. it is very frustrating all round at the moment.
Replays? is this just a multiplayer thing or something?

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by stockwellpete » Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:14 pm

Towerbooks3192 wrote: Replays? is this just a multiplayer thing or something?
Yes, that's right.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by FroBodine » Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:36 pm

And those two options need to be rewritten in plain English. Right now they just sound like some programmer code.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by Towerbooks3192 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:05 pm

Ok. Another crash after picking a map off DAG battle. I want to love the new version but it is not letting me love it. I wish a patch comes soon.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by eddieballgame » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:04 pm

As a rookie to this excellent program my opinion doesn't carry much wait. I will say, the latest version does offer one feature which I felt was mandatory in the original.
The ability to allow "DAG" armies to fight each in "hotseat".
A friend of mine & I like to create armies to compete via "hotseat" & using Team Viewer allows us to play via the internet.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by paulmcneil » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:56 pm

So I now have 5 games sitting in my play list for my turn that won't open, and one game that hangs halfway through the replay. Not good.

I used to run a Commercial software company, which was grown from 5 people to a sale for $37m in 2007 so I think I know what I'm talking about here. I would strongly suggest that you take the new version off your web page for purchase, as I think you may end up doing Slitherine's reputation some irreparable harm if you get a lot of customers who are new to the game and don't have the tolerance of the old lags like me who have goodwill towards slitherine based on the old version of FoG.

I'd be happy to give some advice on meeting release deadlines and customer expectations if that would help, feel free to contact me on paulmcneil@tactica.org.uk
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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by alzado_77 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:11 pm

paulmcneil wrote:So I now have 5 games sitting in my play list for my turn that won't open, and one game that hangs halfway through the replay. Not good.

I used to run a Commercial software company, which was grown from 5 people to a sale for $37m in 2007 so I think I know what I'm talking about here. I would strongly suggest that you take the new version off your web page for purchase, as I think you may end up doing Slitherine's reputation some irreparable harm if you get a lot of customers who are new to the game and don't have the tolerance of the old lags like me who have goodwill towards slitherine based on the old version of FoG.

I'd be happy to give some advice on meeting release deadlines and customer expectations if that would help, feel free to contact me on paulmcneil@tactica.org.uk
Good point Paul, and I hope they take you up on your kind offer.

Having read Pete's long list of issues I too feel that Slitherine should take the game off the market until they are all fixed.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by ulysisgrunt » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:25 pm

Excellent suggestion: Pull it!
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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by Cablenexus » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:31 pm

My advice should be to stop selling the current version as a finished product. It's not.
In terms of quality it's in early beta state imho and so you should release the game as Early Access title for them who want to support development and help the dev hunting bugs.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by NikiforosFokas » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:00 pm

Or at least they have to remove the "Reviews-From the Press" in the shop information of the new FOG.For sure nobody would call the current form of the game " Fun, fast, and smooth game play. Great multi-player feature.".
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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by TJD » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:27 pm

I have to agree. This release was a mistake.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by FroBodine » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:41 pm

Agreed.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by Towerbooks3192 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:52 pm

I wish they would have thought more about the release of the game. Didn't they work together with the community or something to prevent something like this happening. I am actually hoping to move forward from this since there has been some pretty good ideas in the new one ( Custom DAG vs Custom DAG! and random picking of the book pool instead of picking a specific book). Now that there are a lot of complaints about the release, can we please hear from any of the devs or matrix if they are gonna be fixed soon or in a few years or they are just gonna release the lost scroll then let the game die?

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by Cablenexus » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:02 pm

I wish the devs and or Matrix/Slitherine can at least make a statement and answer some questions because there I have much consfusion now.

- The old game ( bought it full price + all DLC two month ago) was working perfect for me. I really need to be able to download the game and DLC I bought again when I need the files. There was no warning or info on the storepage that I bought a discontinued product only two month ago.

- The new game don't work for me on my system setup. Is the support end when you say sorry it is an AMD driver problem, while the dev admitted he only tested the gold release on an nvidia system?

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- Are picture examples, terrain mouseovers, picture examples in DAG, picture and terrain examples on map coming back?

- When is the manual finished to look into detail what is all changed? As a new player I have just two completely different games and a manual for just one of them (the obsolete one).

- Are there more people testing and developing the game now since it's released? I like when Slitherine developers and/or testers participate in the forum to help answering questions.

- Can you convert the new DLC to the old version as well? It seems I have two unfinished products in my library now because the original FOG still shows the new "wolves" DLC in the main screen while I'm unable to activate it in the old version.

- Isn't it better to cancel this release and re release the game seperate from the original version as an EA product here and on Steam?

Thank you for all support.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by stockwellpete » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:06 pm

Towerbooks3192 wrote:I wish they would have thought more about the release of the game. Didn't they work together with the community or something to prevent something like this happening. I am actually hoping to move forward from this since there has been some pretty good ideas in the new one ( Custom DAG vs Custom DAG! and random picking of the book pool instead of picking a specific book). Now that there are a lot of complaints about the release, can we please hear from any of the devs or matrix if they are gonna be fixed soon or in a few years or they are just gonna release the lost scroll then let the game die?
Slitherine are responsible for the game, not Matrix. The developer of the game (just one person) is part of a company called Neurosoft and he is working on the issues now as we raise them. So no-one is going to let the game die. I am hoping that Slitherine will have something to say to us all in due course.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by alzado_77 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:19 pm

Hi Pete.

Bearing in mind Cablenexus' issue above, it would be better if they pulled the product off the market to avoid anyone else having the same problem. He only bought the 'full monty' old edition two months ago but cannot now play either version!

Take the game back to the beta-testing stage where it belongs and fix the issues, keep the old version running at least until the fixes have been made.

If Slitherine can produce the two new expansions for the old game in the meantime, I for one will happily buy them (at a tenner a piece) :D

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by TJD » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:04 pm

alzado_77 wrote:Hi Pete.

Take the game back to the beta-testing stage where it belongs and fix the issues, keep the old version running at least until the fixes have been made.
Wasn't the game in beta since forever? The process clearly failed and after all this time it's hard to believe more of the same will be of value.

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Re: My problems with the new edition.

Post by Towerbooks3192 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:12 pm

stockwellpete wrote:
Towerbooks3192 wrote:I wish they would have thought more about the release of the game. Didn't they work together with the community or something to prevent something like this happening. I am actually hoping to move forward from this since there has been some pretty good ideas in the new one ( Custom DAG vs Custom DAG! and random picking of the book pool instead of picking a specific book). Now that there are a lot of complaints about the release, can we please hear from any of the devs or matrix if they are gonna be fixed soon or in a few years or they are just gonna release the lost scroll then let the game die?
Slitherine are responsible for the game, not Matrix. The developer of the game (just one person) is part of a company called Neurosoft and he is working on the issues now as we raise them. So no-one is going to let the game die. I am hoping that Slitherine will have something to say to us all in due course.
Oh, sorry. I discovered matrix first then I never knew they and slitherine were gonna merge or something or slitherine is the main thing so I always refer to it as matrix and use them interchangeably since I do my purchases and usually stalk the forum on matrix. I really hope that they are going to continue working on it or at least finish the last scrolls and release the game in good working condition. I guess this wouldn't have happened to Slitherine if Dumbledore or Snape was still around XD.

On a serious note, I do wish they will fix this and I guess if they can improve the AI (unlock that personality thing and handicap thing) and improve the AI deployment or better yet add a new feature where you can more or less have a default deployment for your custom armies, add back the BG figure view on the mouse over and especially in DAG, and put the game in a stable state then I would be happy. It is just disappointing that I bought the game plus all expansions very very recently (day before release for the base game and all the expansions on release) only to be greeted by this. I don't have any complaints about the game mechanics despite being pretty much a newbie since I am kinda familiar to the system but I guess I have every right to feel so completely and utterly disappointed because of the way things are handled and the sorry state of the game.

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