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Re: Tournament Diary and News . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:18 pm

The brand new official FOG2DL ratings are now available here . . . http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 30#p690820

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End of season round-up . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:11 pm

End of season round-up

I think this has been our best season so far. The tournament received an enormous boost at the start with the enrolment of over 20 completely new players bringing the number of players entering Season 4 to 70. This was the biggest total since Season 1. This season was also notable for the introduction of a revised scoring system following strong support for it in a pre-season poll and it seems to have worked very well.

Classical Antiquity
We had a new name reach the top In Division A this time with dkalenda (Seleucids) achieving a 7 match winning sequence that was sufficient to keep him just ahead of a large chasing pack including klayeckles, ruskicanuk, harveylh and pantherboy. A mention must go to Ulysisgrunt, who normally plays in the third tier, for winning 3 matches to ensure he will play in the top flight again next season. At the bottom nyczar and rexhurley found the going very tough and it was eventually rexhurley who filled the automatic relegation place. Division B was very close and it was Hendricus (Romans), who finished all his matches in about two weeks and posted a modest total of 24 points, who eventually triumphed when XLegione lost his last match. There was only 7 points separating first and eighth in this division. Things were much more straightforward in Division C where deve (Ptolemaics) achieved a whitewash in his first season with 9 consecutive wins. herm finished strongly to come second, while at the bottom Barrold713 won his last match to relegate Tresantes. Division D was comprised of all new players and it was sunnyboy (Spanish) who eventually prevailed. There were very solid performances as well from Geffalrus, General Shapur, Karvon, blobka and MorkinTheFree.

Late Antiquity
dkalenda (Romans) also triumphed in this section in Division A with a win in his last match against pantherboy after these two had pulled well away from the rest of the field. Cunningcairn was relegated after Nijis had registered his only win in their match together. Just as in Classical Antiquity, Division B was won by a player who completed all but one of his matches in the first few weeks of the tournament. youngr (Jewish Revolt) won 8 of his matches to finish comfortably ahead of SpeedyCM and XLegione. Trogilus was relegated without winning a match. In Division C, jjaquemond (Kingdom of Soissons) eventually overhauled the long time leader greekiraklis to win the automatic promotion place. Both players achieved an excellent 8 wins, but jjaquemond drew his other match to win by 3 points. Both players can expect to play in Division B next season. At the bottom it was Zardoz02 who had a torrid time of it all season and he was relegated. Again, Division D was made up of mostly new players to the tournament and it was MorkinTheFree (Ptolemaics) who stayed on to beat the early front runner sunnyboy.

Early Middle Ages
Normal service was resumed in Division A where pantherboy (Bretons) really dominated for much of the season and he finished 8 points ahead of ruskicanuk, who, in turn was 6 points ahead of third-placed Triarii. The rest of the players were fairly closely bunched together except for paulmcneil who was relegated. Division B saw an excellent breakthrough performance by melm (Sassanids) who won 8 of his matches to gain automatic promotion to the top flight next season. youngr and rexhurley both had very good seasons to finish second and third respectively. At the bottom, ggarynorman defeated gamercb in a crucial relegation battle right at the end of the season that meant gamercb was relegated. In Division C, MorkinTheFree (Romano-British) won the top spot in a very tight race with Geffalrus and deve with all three players registering 7 wins each.

Biblical
ianiow (Egyptians) was far too good for everyone else in Division A and he finished ahead of fast-finishing klayeckles by 3 points. Nijis came a very creditable third. At the bottom, paulmcneil struggled all season, and despite winning his last match, he was relegated. There was a very exciting finish in Division B where XLegione (Carthaginians) held off a late challenge from newcomer Jagger2002 to win by a solitary point. Cunningcairn had a strong season to finish third. It was very close at the bottom between four players, but eventually it was edb1815 who was relegated after losing to fellow struggler GDod. Ulysisgrunt also narrowly avoided relegation by picking up a point in his last match despite losing. In Division C, Geffalrus (Athenians) entered as a late reserve and proceeded to crush everything in sight, including the long-term leader greekiraklis, finishing up with a complete whitewash of 9 consecutive victories. greekiraklis had a great season too winning 8 of his 9 matches. deve, cromlechi and desertedfox all did very well with 6 victories each.

Themed Event
This section was based on the Frankish and Germanic war bands and the early history of the Merovingian dynasty. At the qualifying stage there was a bit of a surprise when IMC won Group B ahead of Nosy_Rat and Nijis and schmolywar returned to the tournament by winning Group D very, very comfortably indeed. In the quarter-finals, dkalenda defeated the winner of the last two Themed Events, Nosy_Rat by 2-0 and hidde decisively brought schmolywar's comeback to an end. IMC and rexhurley finally met their matches in the semi-finals, both players having done really well to progress so far. The final between dkalenda and hidde ended up in a decisive victory for dkalenda, a third championship for him in Season 4.

Final word
Thanks to everyone who participated in Season 4. I think this season had everything really. Some really close finishes throughout the league. The arrival of a new "super star" in dkalenda (no pressure :D ); and the break though into the top flight of a number of new players including XLegione, melm, youngr and Hendricus. And finally, there were 9 prize vouchers awarded at the end of the season. Five of them went to players who had entered the FOG2DL for the first time.

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Re: End of season round-up . . .

Post by devoncop » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:30 pm

Excellent summary of an excellent season.

It was indeed great to see so many new players.

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Re: End of season round-up . . .

Post by edb1815 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:01 pm

Thank you to Pete for running the show! Well done.

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Re: Tournament Diary and News . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:19 pm

The new and comprehensive player statistics are now posted in the "stickies". I am out all day tomorrow so I will resume on Thursday with the tournament records, then the army statistics, and then I will update the archive. Anders (hidde) is away for a couple of weeks and he will update the Themed Event charts and the Medals chart when he returns.

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Re: End of season round-up . . .

Post by XLegione » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:07 pm

Thanks Pete! Great job as usual!

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Re: End of season round-up . . .

Post by Morbio » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:39 am

Thanks for all the hard work Pete! :)

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Re: Tournament Diary and News . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:06 pm

The updated tournament records are now available in the "stickies" section. There are quite a few Season 4 entries in the new lists. :wink:

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Re: Army statisics: FOG2DL

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:24 am

Complete army ratings (Seasons 1, 2, 3 and 4 combined)

Key to table
This is very straightforward. The numbers after the army name represent wins - draws (or ties) - losses. The table takes no account of the skill levels of the players using the army, it just gives the playing record of each of the armies that have been used in the competition. Obviously the higher the numbers involved with a particular army then the more meaningful the figures become as the disparity in skill levels between the various users is evened out.

Achaemenid Persians (550-546BC) 11-1-20
Achaemenid Persians (545-481BC) 26-2-26
Achaemenid Persians (480-461BC) 32-6-49
Achaemenid Persians (460-420BC) 5-2-2
Achaemenid Persians (419-329BC) 8-0-10
Ancient British (60BC-80AD) 22-4-25
Antigonids (320-301BC) 32-1-42
Arab Bedouin (300-636 AD) 6-2-11
Arab, City (300-633AD) 49-4-38
Armenians, Tigranes (83-69BC) 19-3-29
Armenians (253-476AD) 2-2-5
Armenian (477-627AD) 3-1-8
Assyrians (681-609 BC) 10-0-8
Athenians (550-461BC) 9-0-0
Atropatenes (144BC-226AD) 3-1-11
Avars (558-631AD) 2-0-11
Babylonians (626 -539BC) 2-0-7
Bithynian (297-74BC) 3-0-6
Bosporans (348-85BC) 4-2-27
Bosporans (84-11BC) 18-1-16
Bretons (411-579AD) 28-4-13
Byzantine (493-550AD) 24-3-25
Byzantine (551-578AD) 18-2-26
Carthaginians (550-411BC) 17-2-8
Carthaginians (410-341BC) 7-0-3
Carthaginians (262-236BC) 10-2-12
Carthaginians (235-146BC) 7-1-1
Carthaginians, Hannibal in Italy (218-217BC) 20-2-26
Carthaginians, Hannibal in Italy (216-203BC) 32-2-20
Carthaginians, Hannibal in Africa (202BC) 43-1-19
Chinese, Zhou (1046-701BC) 2-1-7
Chinese (209-100BC) 12-1-13
Chinese 3 Kingdoms Shu (221-263 AD) 6-0-4
Chinese 3 Kingdoms, Wei (220-265 AD) 4-0-6
Chinese Jin (317-420 AD) 7-0-3
Chinese Sixteen Kingdoms (304-439 AD) 3-0-7
Chinese, Chen (557-589AD) 3-1-6
Cypriots (549-490BC) 9-1-8
Dacians (50BC-106AD) 11-1-24
Di (200BC-300AD) 17-1-15
Egyptians (664-571 BC) 10-2-6
Egyptians (570-525BC) 8-0-1
Etruscans (490-331BC) 2-1-5
Franks (496-599AD) 11-1-25
Galatians (280-63BC) 37-6-21
Galatians (63-25BC) 4-0-14
Gallic (390-301BC) 13-5-12
Gallic (300-101BC) 24-1-38
Gallic (100-50BC) 9-0-9
Gepid (493-567AD) 12-0-14
Germanic Foot Tribes (105BC-259AD) 7-2-9
Germanic Foot Tribes (260-492AD) 2-2-6
Germanic Horse Tribes (260-492AD) 40-9-35
Graeco-Bactrians (250-130BC) 17-2-50
Greeks (680-461BC) 3-1-4
Greeks (550-461BC) 11-0-5
Greeks (460-281BC) 13-1-16
Greeks (227-146BC) 4-0-14
Hebrews (681-586BC) 2-0-7
Hepthalites (350-570AD) 23-10-26
Hunnic (376-476AD) 2-4-3
Hunnic Sabir (463-558AD) 6-0-7
Huns Western (376-454AD) 21-6-21
Huns Western (455-599AD) 5-1-3
Indians (500BC-319AD) 84-1-28
Indian (320-545AD) 10-0-8
Indian (546-599AD) 18-1-17
Indo-Greeks (175BC-10AD) 54-0-33
Indo-Parthians (60BC-130AD) 11-3-14
Indo-Skythians (95BC-50AD) 28-2-23
Jewish (167-111BC) 28-0-17
Jewish (64BC-6AD) 7-0-2
Jewish Revolt (66BC) 3-0-6
Jewish Revolt (66-135AD) 42-1-10
Kappadokians (260BC-17AD) 6-0-12
Kingdom of Soissons (461-486AD) 38-6-20
Kushans (130BC-476AD) 28-4-36
Lombards (493-567AD) 14-2-10
Lombards (568-9AD) 5-0-15
Lydians (550-546BC) 35-2-22
Lysimachids (320-281BC) 44-10-41
Macedonians (355-329BC) 5-1-12
Macedonians (328-321BC) 18-3-24
Macedonians (320-261BC) 45-6-43
Medians (626-550 BC) 9-2-7
Moorish (350-698AD) 9-4-5
Mountain Indians (492-170BC) 10-0-2
Nabataean (260-106BC) 3-2-14
Northern Dynasties, Northern Zhu (557-581AD) 6-1-3
Ostrogoths (493-561AD) 16-4-24
Palmyrans (258-273AD) 23-11-42
Parthians (250BC-225AD) 4-7-6
Pergamenes (190-129BC) 15-3-18
Phoenicians (681-539BC) 7-0-2
Phokians (550-461 BC) 2-1-6
Pictish (210-476AD) 7-2-18
Pictish (477-850AD) 13-0-5
Pontics (281-111BC) 6-0-12
Pontics (110-85BC) 32-4-24
Pontics (84-47BC) 9-1-18
Ptolemaics (320-167BC) 32-4-19
Ptolemaics (166-56BC) 36-1-26
Ptolemaics (55-30BC) 39-4-20
Pyrrhic (280-272BC) 23-5-27
Qiang (1046-701BC) 7-1-2
Qiang (200BC-300AD) 7-0-8
Rhoxolani (350BC-24AD) 29-17-26
Romans (490-341BC) 17-6-15
Romans (340-281BC) 5-0-10
Romans (219-200BC) 27-1-19
Romans (199-106BC) 54-10-35
Romans (105-25BC) 32-4-54
Romans (197-284AD) 7-4-33
Romans (285-387AD) 29-9-28
Romans (425- 492AD) 18-0-12
Romano-British (407-599AD) 70-9-22
Saka (300BC-50AD) 4-2-18
Samnites (355-272BC) 38-0-22
Sarmatians (350BC-24 AD) 6-1-2
Sassanids (224-349AD) 9-3-8
Sassanids (350-476AD) 13-3-13
Sassanids (477-590AD) 8-1-26
Sassanids (591-628AD) 35-2-17
Scots-Irish (50BC-476AD) 43-8-19
Scots-Irish (477-846AD) 14-4-18
Seleucids (320-303BC) 1-0-8
Seleucids (302-301BC) 4-0-6
Seleucids (301-206BC) 30-4-32
Seleucids (205-167BC) 6-0-12
Seleucids (166-125BC) 39-10-31
Seleucids (124-63BC) 32-5-33
Skythians (300BC-50AD) 7-4-7
Slave Revolt (73-71BC) 7-1-28
Slavs (500-599AD) 4-0-4
Spanish (300-100BC) 18-3-13
Spanish, Sertorius (80-70BC) 50-4-37
Spartans (680-551BC) 1-0-8
Spartans (550-461BC) 15-5-25
Spartans (460-281BC) 6-1-6
Syracusans (550-461BC) 4-2-12
Syracusans (421-281BC) 8-2-18
Thracians (700-351BC) 5-1-12
Thracians (350BC-46AD) 9-3-6
Urartians (681-585BC) 7-1-10
Visigoths (419-621AD) 23-2-30
Welsh (477-599AD) 7-2-19

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Re: Tournament Diary and News . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:25 am

Latest army statistics now available in the "stickies".

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Re: Tournament Diary and News . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:48 am

Everything is done now apart from a few Themed Event charts and an updated Medals Table (from Anders) to be put in the archive thread. Thanks very much for the kind comments and I'll see you all for Season 5 preparations in about a month's time.

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Details of the Themed Event in Season 5 are now confirmed!

Post by stockwellpete » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:11 pm

I have decided to use again the concept behind the Themed Event that we had in Season 2 of the old FOG1DL. I have had to make some changes as the armies have not been exactly reproduced from FOG1 to FOG2 and a couple of the scenarios used in the KO stage then are not available now.

Firstly the four qualifying groups . . .

Group 1 "Peloponnesian War" (431-404 BC)
1. Spartan 461-281 BC
2. Greek 460-281 BC
3. Achaemenid Persian 419-329 BC
4. Syracusan 412-281 BC

Group 2 "The Wars of Alexander" (334-323 BC)
1. Indian 500 BC-319 AD
2. Macedonian 355-329 BC
3. Achaemenid Persians 419-329 BC
4. Thracian 350-251 BC

Group 3 "The Wars of Pyrrhus" (280-272 BC)
1. Roman 280-220 BC
2. Macedonian 320-261 BC
3. Pyrrhus 280-272 BC
4. Carthaginian 280-263 BC


Group 4 "Great Balkan Migration" (from 279 BC)
1. Galatians 280-63 BC
2. Macedonians 320-261 BC
3. Greeks 280-228 BC
4. Thracians 350-251 BC

For the knock-out stage, where paired games are used, we will be using 3 official scenarios that I have checked for reasonable balance . . .

Quarter-finals - Raphia 217 BC

Semi-finals - Pydna 168 BC

Final - Phillippi 42 BC

So I think this will give us a good old romp around the ancient world. Any comments are most welcome. :D

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Re: Provisional outline for the Themed Event in Season 5

Post by devoncop » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:03 pm

Really nice selection and I will certainly be giving the themed event a go this time as I like the armies involved (though the poor old Thracians are likely to have a very hard time !)

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Re: Provisional outline for the Themed Event in Season 5

Post by stockwellpete » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:21 pm

devoncop wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:03 pm
Really nice selection and I will certainly be giving the themed event a go this time as I like the armies involved (though the poor old Thracians are likely to have a very hard time !)
The way I am going to do this is to have a completely unseeded draw of the 16 players to get the 4 qualifying groups of 4 players. Then I will put each group of 4 players in order (1-2-3-4) by using the latest FOG2DL ratings. The weakest player according to the list will then get the strongest army (army number 1 in the list above). So the Thracians will be used by the strongest player in the group. The record of the Thracians in the FOG2DL is OK, but only 2 players have used them.

If we are able to run 2 pools of 12 (with 3 players in each of the 4 qualifying groups) rather than just 1 pool of 16 players, then the number 4 armies from the list above will drop out and players will play paired games in the qualifying groups as well.

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Re: Provisional outline for the Themed Event in Season 5

Post by devoncop » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:51 pm

Eminently sensible.

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Re: Provisional outline for the Themed Event in Season 5

Post by Geffalrus » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:53 pm

That looks awesome. Definitely want to get signed up for that. Good army diversity in the groups. Kind of want to suggest a War of the Diadochi themed group with the Antigonids, Lysimachids, Ptolemaics, and Seleucids, but I realize that might be a bit......monochromatic and pike heavy in comparison.

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Re: Provisional outline for the Themed Event in Season 5

Post by SpeedyCM » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:39 pm

Geffalrus wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:53 pm
That looks awesome. Definitely want to get signed up for that. Good army diversity in the groups. Kind of want to suggest a War of the Diadochi themed group with the Antigonids, Lysimachids, Ptolemaics, and Seleucids, but I realize that might be a bit......monochromatic and pike heavy in comparison.
If memory serves that was what was done in the 1st season themed event.

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Re: Provisional outline for the Themed Event in Season 5

Post by Geffalrus » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:55 am

SpeedyCM wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:39 pm
If memory serves that was what was done in the 1st season themed event.
D'oh! I joined 3 seasons too late. :lol:

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Re: Provisional outline for the Themed Event in Season 5

Post by Morbio » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:13 pm

It would be interesting to see an event based around Ancient Britain. There are a lot of army types in that area not so often used and it would provide some interesting challenges, especially if an invading Roman army was thrown into the mix! :)

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Re: Provisional outline for the Themed Event in Season 5

Post by stockwellpete » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:47 pm

Morbio wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:13 pm
It would be interesting to see an event based around Ancient Britain. There are a lot of army types in that area not so often used and it would provide some interesting challenges, especially if an invading Roman army was thrown into the mix! :)
I have had a look but I cannot see that there would be enough armies or scenarios for an "Ancient Britain" theme.

Armies
Ancient British 60 BC - 80 AD
Caledonian 50-225 BC
Roman 24 BC - 196 AD
Scots-Irish 50 BC - 476 AD

Scenarios
Watling Street 61 AD

Really I would need at least one more army for the group stage because I think the Roman army might be too strong for, say, the Caledonians. So really the Romans would work best in the KO stage where we use paired games. But there is only one scenario available as far as I can see. We would need 2 more scenarios to cover the quarter-finals, semi-finals and final.

Have I missed anything? If not the only possibility is to add the Gauls, maybe theming it as "The Roman Conquest of Gaul and Britain". This would give us . . .

Armies
Ancient British 60 BC - 80 AD
Caledonian 50-225 BC
Gallics 100-50 BC
Scots-Irish 50 BC - 476 AD

Scenarios
Bibracte 58 BC
Alesia 52 BC
Watling Street 61 AD

Would that work for Season 6? I also plan to use jomni's Silk Road mod for one Themed Event and I am also writing a new group of scenarios now that might be used one day as well.

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