Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Field of Glory: Empires is a grand strategy game in which you will have to move in an intricate and living tapestry of nations and tribes, each one with their distinctive culture.
Set in Europe and in the Mediterranean Area during the Classical Age, experience what truly means to manage an Empire.

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by 13obo » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:56 pm

I think you are focusing too much on the early game... Most of us here are for the long game and even if Arverni doesn't have the most glamorous early game start, they have the freedom to expand while other nations like Sparta may be in the middle of it but squeezed between 4 Diadochi doesn't really help their survival. Also, when I was playing them, I was sending a lot of gold to devoncop (about 800-1000) from conquests so they are not completely isolated.

So do we want another "Epirus" that will get wiped out by turn 20 or do we want a player that will make a meaningful impact throughout the game?

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by SpeedyCM » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:48 pm

My, probably somewhat biased, view is that there really is not enough room in Greece/Balkans area for another human player.
As it stands we have 4 players in the area already from Dacia down to Sparta (5 if you include Antigonos) each of these players currently have some room for expansion, throwing another person into the region and I agree with 13obo that at least one person will be out of the game early.

As for the other nations mentioned I have experience with Iberri in another multiplayer game and yes they are distant from the action in the early game and honestly the only diplomacy I have had to conduct in that game so far is to seek peaceful relations with Carthage once I finish securing the Iberian peninsular I can hopefully have a greater impact on the game but that is not likely to be achieved until turn 70+.
The Averni I expect would be able to have an impact before that with their large starting army they should be able to secure most of Gaul by turn 50 at the latest and by that time they will also likely be bordering Rome.

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by Geffalrus » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:30 am

There are plenty of other matches out there if people want to build up for 50 turns before getting to work gutting each other.

The purpose of the matches I put together is to stress test the diplomatic system with players competing in close quarters. There's - some - room for expansion, but no one, and I mean NO ONE should be automatically safe to just grow at the expense of the AI. To be "safe" you need to make agreements with other players in a universe where players beyond that will have memories and pattern recognition. All things that the AI........is not so good at.

I think there can be fun games where players have a perfect circle of expansion before conflict arises. I'm even playing in some like that. But that's not my vision for the Field of Diplomacy games.

In regards to Iberia - there's a reason they were where they were in my listing. As a potential inclusion, but not an intended one. For all the reasons mentioned. Like Maurya, Bactria, and Saka - they had limited ability to affect MORE than one of the major powers. But unlike the Arverni, they could at least affect one major power early on.

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by ledo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:48 am

Geffalrus wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:30 am
There are plenty of other matches out there if people want to build up for 50 turns before getting to work gutting each other.

The purpose of the matches I put together is to stress test the diplomatic system with players competing in close quarters. There's - some - room for expansion, but no one, and I mean NO ONE should be automatically safe to just grow at the expense of the AI. To be "safe" you need to make agreements with other players in a universe where players beyond that will have memories and pattern recognition. All things that the AI........is not so good at.

I think there can be fun games where players have a perfect circle of expansion before conflict arises. I'm even playing in some like that. But that's not my vision for the Field of Diplomacy games.

In regards to Iberia - there's a reason they were where they were in my listing. As a potential inclusion, but not an intended one. For all the reasons mentioned. Like Maurya, Bactria, and Saka - they had limited ability to affect MORE than one of the major powers. But unlike the Arverni, they could at least affect one major power early on.
Fair enough. It makes no difference to me. The Carthage and Iberii negotiations were pretty straightforward anyway. I actually like a player there, because it's a more reliable agreement. The AI is far more likely to go gungho into me than a player, and I have few ambitions beyond a few regions in Baetis anyway. Although everyone keeps talking about silver mines in Iberia, I've never really felt it was a worthwhile target for major expansion as it takes all my troops too far west and leaves me open (but hell I could be wrong about that, i guess I just have too much on my plate subduing Syracuse, Sardinia and the unruly Gaetuli or Mauretanians, all of which a war in Iberia would distract me from).

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by Wulfburk » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:07 am

Is all diplomatic chat going to happen here or in game as well?


Also the Pontic Kingdom offers an alliance to the noble people of Armenia. We true heirs to the great Achaemenid Empire should stand together, those red haired and bearded devils from Macedon have been making quite a fuss these past decades...

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by ledo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:19 am

Wulfburk wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:07 am
Is all diplomatic chat going to happen here or in game as well?


Also the Pontic Kingdom offers an alliance to the noble people of Armenia. We true heirs to the great Achaemenid Empire should stand together, those red haired and bearded devils from Macedon have been making quite a fuss these past decades...
Most of the diplomacy will inevitably occur in the private messages. Here is too public, and the in-game chat is not only too public but intolerably delayed.

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by Geffalrus » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:27 am

Wulfburk wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:07 am
Is all diplomatic chat going to happen here or in game as well?


Also the Pontic Kingdom offers an alliance to the noble people of Armenia. We true heirs to the great Achaemenid Empire should stand together, those red haired and bearded devils from Macedon have been making quite a fuss these past decades...
I highly recommend using the private message function of this forum. Of course you can conduct diplomacy however publicly you like. Some things work better that way. The in game chat, however, I find extremely clunky. Ultimately up to you, just know that other players may be using the features I mentioned.

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by Geffalrus » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:48 am

The match is up.

Password is envoy

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by ledo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:12 am

Geffalrus wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:48 am
The match is up.

Password is envoy
Won't be able to join for another 6-7 hours, but can't wait.

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by pnoff » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:14 am

This is to confirm that romans are dead scared of water and elephants and so we sign long term Non-aggression pact with Carthage (a whoooping 10 turn warning between any hostilities).

First Consul Pnoff is working to earn nickname "the Thirsty Drinker" as opposed to "the Thirsty Conqueror" he got in his other life.

For everybody else: sorry if you were expecting Roman envoys already, but the senate needs a couple more days to gather their collective thoughts (and I would like to know full fixed list of players, so won't do much until the game starts)

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by devoncop » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:26 am

Lysimakos is signed in and ready to go :D

Fruitful discussions have been underway and it it hoped the Lysimachids and their allies will avoid an early collapse !

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by 13obo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:48 am

I'll join in 12h when I'm back from work. Game was hosted too late london time. Hopefully noone outside who hasn't signed up joins.

Good luck to all!

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by devoncop » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:58 am

Any update when this one is starting ?

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by 13obo » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:29 am

I think only Morbio is left though he did warn us that he has some previously made less important commitments to his wife like having a holiday in Greece. Hence the slight delay, I guess.

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by devoncop » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:55 am

13obo wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:29 am
I think only Morbio is left though he did warn us that he has some previously made less important commitments to his wife like having a holiday in Greece. Hence the slight delay, I guess.

Ah.....understood.

Three line whip as it unknown in the House of Commons....say no more :wink:

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by Morbio » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:38 pm

Sorry for the delay... I've now accepted the game.

By the way, my Dacian horde hates everyone outside of... Dacia! :twisted:

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by 13obo » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:48 pm

Looking forward to the game!

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by Geffalrus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:23 pm

I'm gonna enjoy watching the royal rumbles from the safety of Gaul. :wink:

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by devoncop » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:45 pm

Geffalrus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:23 pm
I'm gonna enjoy watching the royal rumbles from the safety of Gaul. :wink:

If you are in Gaul it will be many things......"safe" ain't one of them.......... :wink:

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Re: Field of Diplomacy: A New World Order

Post by Geffalrus » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:10 pm

I fart in the general direction of Egypt! Consider that my first diplomatic overture.

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