Fallbacks

[SimonLancaster]

I am playing a game where a couple of interesting fallbacks happened. First one, my opponent fell back with a fragmented Imitation Legionaries unit. There was a sub-general nearby. The unit didn't break. I just wondered what the chances were of that unit breaking?

In the same game, I fell back with my Thureophoroi and they dropped two cohesion levels to fragmented. What are the chances of that happening? Does it depend on the unit quality as well?

[GeneralKostas]

I think, it is random. Bad luck. Everytime i choose to fall back, i pray not to drop cohesion level.

[SimonLancaster]

I suspect there is some % chance involved.. will find out.

[SnuggleBunnies]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... =735499412

[SimonLancaster]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... =735499412

Thanks, Bunny! I am talking to edb1815 and he has provided some good info like your link. I will post as well..

The only thing I don't see are the chances for a double drop!

[SimonLancaster]

Notes:

So looking at the manual: Frag is -2, Threatened flank is -1, 25% losses -1, 50% losses -1, Hvy foot +1, General within 4 sq +1. 6 needed to pass on 2 dice. Pretty close to TT game. So pike unit with a general would be evens depending on flanks and casualties. Of course the table may have changed in subsequent game updates!

PS edb1815 says in tabletop rules if you rolled 2 after modifiers then you would double drop. He says not explictly in FoG 2 manual (as far as we can tell). Also, that is for losing combat badly or loss of a general and not explicitly for fallbacks.

[edb1815]

Just to add to the post in the TT game fallback was not a reason to test cohesion. The FOGII manual does not mention fallbacks as causing a double drop. Going with the tt chart it does limit the double drops to losing combat badly, losing a general and friends routing nearby. I have not read through the patch notes to see if anything changed since the original manual on this issue.

[SimonLancaster]

We don't have any information on fallbacks causing double drops. If anyone knows or has seen the code then let us know. At the moment I am assuming that a roll of 2 will cause a double drop.

[rbodleyscott]

Just to add to the post in the TT game fallback was not a reason to test cohesion.

Because it didn't exist in the TT game.

[rbodleyscott]

We don't have any information on fallbacks causing double drops. If anyone knows or has seen the code then let us know. At the moment I am assuming that a roll of 2 will cause a double drop.

They can double drop.

As with other double drops, this is not caused by a roll of 2, but by a final score of 2 or less after applying modifiers.

[SimonLancaster]

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

[edb1815]

Certainly cleared up regards the TT game, it has been a number of years. The double drop was not clear from my reading of the PC game manual. Thanks.