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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by adiekmann » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:28 pm

Stephen1024 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:08 pm
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uzbek2012 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:41 pm
Yes, there will be a lot to do here, not like in Europe )
https://en.topwar.ru/25258-storozhevaya ... e-dno.html
Wonder how they handle Japanese not surrendering!

Was insult for their honour to surrender so don't see how can have mass surrenders as in European theater. Some did but most preferred die.

How about there determination which would cause a heavy price for each victory allies gained.

Units losing just 1 here or there not what happened.

Also jungle is just as bad enemy.
Yes, you make several very good and interesting points!

Some of them were addressed by Alex in the Twitch TV special interview when they announced Pacific Corps. I wouldn't look for any specific answers to your questions until they are close to release and post some sort of "dev diary" or such. But he did mention that they are reworkingh naval combat and supply but didn't give any details beyond those general comments.

But yeah, the Japanese should have some sort of permanent "No Surrender" by default! Absoultely.

The Cave system...that's very interesting. Could be a new type of fortification unit to simulate it? Or at way to move units around through its network of connected tunnels? :idea:

I know that's why it's taking some time to put together because there IS a lot of stuff that needs to be worked out.

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by uzbek2012 » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:57 pm

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Japanese fake tank carved out of volcanic rock, Iwo Jima Island, 1945
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Captured Japanese officer Minoru Wada helps the crews of American B-25 Mitchell bombers find a target during a raid on the headquarters of a Japanese infantry division in the Philippines. the year is 1945.

Minoru Wada was an American of Japanese descent, he was born in the United States and later went to get higher education in Japan, studied at the University of Tokyo. When the war with the United States began, Minoru Wada graduated from the Kyushu Military Academy and became a second lieutenant in the transport department of the Imperial Japanese Army. In 1945, he was captured in the Southern Philippines by soldiers of the US Marine Corps and immediately declared his readiness to cooperate in order to end the war faster and reduce the suffering of the Japanese people. He provided information about the location of the headquarters of the 100th Division of the Imperial Japanese Army and volunteered to personally direct a squadron of bombers. The raid of the American bombers of the 1st Air Wing on the headquarters of the Japanese 100th Division was conducted on August 10, 1945 and was extremely successful, they managed to disorganize the organized resistance of the Japanese in the Southern Philippines. Subsequently, Minoru Wada received a new identity card, and his whereabouts are unknown.
https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_s_japoniej_ssha/43
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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by Stephen1024 » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:09 pm

Thanks some really interesting replies.

Was just soldiers lot civilian killed themselves to. Worse some fanatics hurt men woman and children who where going surrender.

Favourite trick for caves by allies was to get can gasoline and grenade. Was very nasty weapon but only way clear caves at times.

Interesting option for campaign ending would be to actually attack Japan. American campaign. Be interesting see how challenging might of been to take Japan. One main reasons for atomic bombing was the fear of causalities and fatalities the fighting in Japan would of created.

Hoping lot for some unique units like flying tigers, Merrill's Marauders, Gurkhas, x and y force and Chindits etc

Pacific General was more challenging then other games so am expecting Pacific campaign to probably be bit more challenge then AO to date.

Wonder if we get fly nakajima kikka?

Suicide units going be interesting. What prices will they cost and how much damage for single use? Will they be worthwhile?

Submersible aircraft carriers that had 3 planes how much use would they really be?

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by Retributarr » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:47 am

Stephen1024 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:09 pm

Submersible aircraft carriers that had 3 planes how much use would they really be?
Very-Very useful!... think?... what if you used these 'Aircraft' to bomb critical infrastructure in the 'Panama-Canal'... that would now put some serious harm to the 'American' war effort... especially in the 'Pacific'... this would strangle to some degree the war against 'Japan'... maybe even to quite a detrimental degree!.

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by Stephen1024 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:52 pm

Retributarr wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:47 am
Stephen1024 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:09 pm

Submersible aircraft carriers that had 3 planes how much use would they really be?
Very-Very useful!... think?... what if you used these 'Aircraft' to bomb critical infrastructure in the 'Panama-Canal'... that would now put some serious harm to the 'American' war effort... especially in the 'Pacific'... this would strangle to some degree the war against 'Japan'... maybe even to quite a detrimental degree!.
Good plan, may come in very handy so stealing it. If suicide planes could do serious damage.

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by VirgilInTheSKY » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:38 pm

Retributarr wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:47 am
Stephen1024 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:09 pm

Submersible aircraft carriers that had 3 planes how much use would they really be?
Very-Very useful!... think?... what if you used these 'Aircraft' to bomb critical infrastructure in the 'Panama-Canal'... that would now put some serious harm to the 'American' war effort... especially in the 'Pacific'... this would strangle to some degree the war against 'Japan'... maybe even to quite a detrimental degree!.
How much damage will you expect from 3 seaplane bombers that could be carried in a 6000-ton submarine against a military facility of that size? The plan itself is nothing but a "show" like all the balloon-bombs, coastal bombardment on a Lighthouse with submarine deck gun and again, submarine carried seabplane bombers bombing plans the Japanese has conducted on North American territories. They cannot, and never will be able to, deal any real damage to the US that way, the same reason Nazi Germany can never defeat the UK with a decisive blow. They just lack the industry and military power to do so.

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by George_Parr » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:51 pm

I never really understood why some people refer to the I-400 class submarines as submersible aircraft carriers. It makes no sense. They carry about as many float-planes as a cruiser does, and no one gets the idea to call those an aircraft carrier. They also take much longer to get those planes started than a cruiser does.

Those planes are a somewhat decent recon tool, and beyond that you could use them for a prestigious but ultimately not very dangerous surprise attack. Basically a much weaker version of the Doolitle raid. Nice for propaganda and to scare the local population, but that's about it.

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by VirgilInTheSKY » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:41 pm

George_Parr wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:51 pm
I never really understood why some people refer to the I-400 class submarines as submersible aircraft carriers. It makes no sense. They carry about as many float-planes as a cruiser does, and no one gets the idea to call those an aircraft carrier. They also take much longer to get those planes started than a cruiser does.

Those planes are a somewhat decent recon tool, and beyond that you could use them for a prestigious but ultimately not very dangerous surprise attack. Basically a much weaker version of the Doolitle raid. Nice for propaganda and to scare the local population, but that's about it.
I guess it was because those aircraft they carries, the Aichi M6A Seiran, was designed as a float bomber instead of normal recon plane (IJN designation for float rocon plane is "E", while M is for "special attack aircraft"), and the subs themselves are specially designed to use them to strike targets, namely the Panama Canal. It's more about purpose, not usefulness.

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by uzbek2012 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:20 pm

It was good enough to bomb Pearl Harbor to the end ) There was a lot of fuel there and having lost it, the Americans would have had a hard time )

The" Fatal mistakes " of the Japanese in Pearl Harbor
http://alternathistory.com/rokovye-oshi ... l-harbore/

And bombing with seaplanes is the same as with balloons )))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb

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Landing off the coast of Alaska
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At dawn on August 12, 1945, three days before Japan announced its surrender, an explosion sounded in the Sea of Japan, not far from the north of the Korean Peninsula. A fireball of 1000 meters rose into the sky. Following it, a giant mushroom cloud appeared. According to the American expert Charles Stone, the first and last atomic bomb of Japan was detonated here.

How realistic is the claim that the Japanese army conducted an experiment on the territory of the DPRK?

Stone's statement that Japan was working on the creation of an atomic bomb in Tokyo laboratories, research centers in Manchuria, as well as at an industrial complex in the Korean city of Hyunnam, was met with doubts among US scientists. Dr. Edward Dray believes that Japan had a fairly low level of technology so that its scientists could create and detonate their own nuclear device. Historian John Dower is more cautiously skeptical about Stone's message. The surviving materials about the Japanese cyclotron, destroyed as a result of bombing, indicate that it was very primitive compared to the American one. But it is impossible to exclude the possibility that an atomic bomb was detonated in the Sea of Japan in 1945.

What was the basis for the sensational statement of Ch.Stone? He was pushed to this by the radiation of the US archives. The Japanese bomb, says Ch. Stone, was supposed to be used against American troops as part of Operation Homeland. However, there was not enough time to create it. On the day of the nuclear explosion, the secret military complex of Hynnam, which is sufficiently powerful and equipped with everything necessary for the production of an atomic bomb, was captured by Soviet troops.

It was quite logical to place the production of the Japanese atomic bomb at the Hynnam Chemical Plant. Enterprises for the production of nuclear weapons often have the form of chemical combines.

The plausibility of Stone's hypothesis is confirmed by the research of the American intelligence officer Theodore McNally. At the end of World War II, he served in analytical intelligence in the Pacific under General Magarthur. In his article, he writes that American intelligence had reliable data about a large Japanese nuclear center in Hynnam, but kept the information secret. On the morning of August 14, 1945, American planes brought air samples taken over the Sea of Japan near the east coast of the Korean Peninsula to their airfields. The processing of samples gave stunning results. It turned out that there was an explosion of a nuclear device in the Sea of Japan!

Before the Second World War, Japan was one of the leaders in the field of nuclear research. Japanese nuclear scientists were at a certain advantage over their colleagues. In European countries, scientific centers have practically stopped working as a result of the emigration of scientists. In the USSR, some nuclear scientists joined the army, others were repressed, and real work began only after the war. In the United States, where most of the emigrant scientists got, there were more than enough nuclear scientists. But all those engaged in scientific research know how much a well-coordinated team of like-minded people differs in terms of work efficiency from a meeting of even major scientists, but they adhere to different, and sometimes opposite hypotheses about the solution of a scientific problem. In Japan, teams of scientists continuously conducted research.

Takeo Yasuda, the head of the Department of Science and Technology of the headquarters of the Japanese Air Force, was the first to deal with the issue of creating nuclear weapons.

The general drew attention to articles that claimed that "a chain reaction caused by the decay of uranium can lead to an explosion of unprecedented power." One of General Yasuda's former teachers, Professor Ryokichi Sagane, wrote a detailed report in which he argued that the latest discoveries in nuclear physics could be used for military purposes.

The Minister of War Hideki Tojo put a resolution on the report of Professor Sagane: "This issue should be worked out by experts," according to it, General Yasuda organized the Institute of Physical and Chemical Research in 1941. The head of the research was Professor Iosio Nisina, a student of Nils Vor. About a hundred young specialists were seconded from the army to the institute and engaged in the creation of nuclear weapons.

Now about the raw materials for making a nuclear filling for a bomb. They had no uranium, but the Germans regularly exported it to the Land of the Rising Sun. When the military situation of Hitler's Germany deteriorated sharply and they lost the ability to deliver uranium by sea on ships, Hitler decided to continue delivering uranium on underwater transport ships. The U-401 boat, specially equipped for the transportation of uranium, went to sea. This was the first and, fortunately for the allies, the last such attempt to supply Japan with strategic raw materials on submarines.

The news of the end of the war caught U-401 halfway to Japan. After much hesitation, Corvette Captain Haase decided to surface and surrender to the Americans. After learning about this intention of the commander of the submarine, all four Japanese officers committed suicide. But according to Stone, the Japanese had already accumulated enough uranium to detonate their atomic bomb by that time.

The message about the explosion of a Japanese nuclear device allows us to answer two riddles related to the end of the Second World War in the Far East: first, what was the final reason for the unconditional surrender of the Land of the Rising Sun, and secondly, why it fell on August 15.

He answered them in his book "2013. Memories of the future "A. Yolukha:" It becomes clear why the Japanese blew up their nuclear device near Hynnam. On the night of August 13-14, 1945, the Red Army entered Hynnam. Either these were unplanned tests (on the principle that the enemy would not get it), or during the evacuation of an experimental sample of a nuclear explosive device, there was a threat of its capture by the enemy, and the Japanese servicemen sacrificed their lives, destroying the protected object with them.

The reasons that prompted the Japanese government to announce the surrender of Japan on August 15, 1945 are also clear. Before that, the" palm of superiority " was contested by the United States and the USSR. The former claimed that the Japanese ruling circles realized the futility of further resistance after the US used nuclear weapons against them, and the latter put the USSR's entry into hostilities against Japan on August 9, 1945, which also allegedly seemed to the Japanese to be a complete military-political impasse, in the first place. But chronologically, the date of the capture of Hynnam by the Red Army on the night of August 13-14 is closer to August 15. Apparently, the loss of the" forge "for their atomic" sword"had the strongest impact on the intrepid samurai-there was nothing more to hope for."

Another indirect, but objective evidence that Japan conducted serious work on the creation of its "retaliation"weapons. Shortly before September 11, 2001, the US administration committed an "act of goodwill" by returning to Japan secret documents and materials taken out of the country in 1945 related to the development of Japanese nuclear weapons during World War II.

The Japanese ruling circles were very dissatisfied with the above-mentioned action of their American allies. The inhabitants of the Land of the Rising Sun have become so accustomed to the image of the victims of the atomic bombing that they would like to forget about their research in this area forever.
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I hope there will be doctors too ;)
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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by pewp3w » Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:19 pm

uzbek2012 wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:20 pm
It was good enough to bomb Pearl Harbor to the end ) There was a lot of fuel there and having lost it, the Americans would have had a hard time )
But Pearl Harbor was bombed by dozens of bigger airplanes launched from aircraft carriers. That is quite different from those seaplanes.

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by uzbek2012 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:01 pm

pewp3w wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:19 pm
uzbek2012 wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:20 pm
It was good enough to bomb Pearl Harbor to the end ) There was a lot of fuel there and having lost it, the Americans would have had a hard time )
But Pearl Harbor was bombed by dozens of bigger airplanes launched from aircraft carriers. That is quite different from those seaplanes.

You shouldn't underestimate these planes )

Hydroaviation of the Japanese submarine fleet in World War II. Part VII
https://en.topwar.ru/132843-gidroaviaci ... t-vii.html


Operations of Japanese heavy flying boats on the Pacific
https://en.topwar.ru/159391-operacii-ja ... keane.html


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The third prototype of the M6A1 "Seyran" torpedo bomber on a transport cart, under the fuselage of an 800-kg aerial bomb
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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by terminator » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:03 am

uzbek2012 wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:20 pm

I hope there will be doctors too ;)

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FIRST AID already present...

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by uzbek2012 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:54 am

terminator wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:03 am
uzbek2012 wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:20 pm

I hope there will be doctors too ;)

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FIRST AID already present...


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You have a very specific humor ! Machine gunners can simply easily send them to the next world )

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by uzbek2012 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:00 pm

Will it be possible to transfer German equipment to Japanese operations ?


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In reality, the Tiger did not go to Japan after all ( Although the Japanese bought it and paid for it , but they could not deliver it anymore ), but Panzer Corps 2 everything is possible )))
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About airplane clones here :arrow:

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Also, the beginning of the war between Japan and China led to the fact that the Germans left China. German tanks fought at least until 1941, when several of them were captured by the Japanese.
https://komandante-07.livejournal.com/23657.html

Sino-Japanese War of the 20 century. On the peculiarities of combat operations and the tactics of the parties. H. 1
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The tank power of Imperial Japan. ( 82 photos )
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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by VirgilInTheSKY » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:11 pm

uzbek2012 wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:00 pm
Will it be possible to transfer German equipment to Japanese operations ?
Will be possible to have some German equipment available from CP events, I think. Japan did get a few weapon designs from Germany and managed to reproduce some of them. The J8M (Ki-200) "Shusei" Interceptor is based on Me 163, for example.

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by uzbek2012 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:50 am

VirgilInTheSKY wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:11 pm
uzbek2012 wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:00 pm
Will it be possible to transfer German equipment to Japanese operations ?
Will be possible to have some German equipment available from CP events, I think. Japan did get a few weapon designs from Germany and managed to reproduce some of them. The J8M (Ki-200) "Shusei" Interceptor is based on Me 163, for example.

Yes there is all the information on this issue on the links that I have indicated ) Since parts of even disassembled tanks could not fit into Japanese or German submarines, it was easier to transport planes and drawings )
At the beginning of 1943, the air forces and navies of the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition in the Atlantic increasingly hindered the actions of German ships and ships trying to break the blockade and get with their strategic cargo to French ports at sea. Atlantic. The trip of the Japanese submarine I-30 to Europe and back with a valuable cargo prompted the Germans to consider using submarines as cargo ships. Since the rapid commissioning of special transport boats was impossible, Admiral Donitz proposed to convert large Italian submarines to Bordeaux and use them to transport cargo to the Far East and back.
How the German fleet went to the Indian Ocean
https://en.topwar.ru/108584-kak-germans ... okean.html

P.s. Cooler than a fabulous Rambo )
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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by Retributarr » Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:11 am

"MUSIK NON-STOP!:"
Well... 'Music Non-Stop!'... is not an absolutely necessary necessity nor may it be desired, ...however if it were possible to find or aquire some WWII Japanese Military Music and then to use it in the Game... this would dramatically heighten the 'Atmosphere and Historicity' of the mood of that time period.

Having some 'Authentic Japanese Military Music'... say for instance... when you can or cannot see the 'Japanese Imperial Fleet' moving on the Game-Map [Maybe at this point... they may not even be on the Game-Map yet... but still heading your way!]... a set piece of 'Japanese Naval Music' scores could be played to highlight this or other Naval-Activity... and also if not possible to procure such 'Music-Scores'... perhaps... then,... this music could just be fabricated up and be made to sound authentic!... even incorporating within it... a spooky or haunted aspirational tone or feeling, or flavour to it... what say you!.

For land purposes... much the same idea or concept of music usage could also be used.

This would also go for the other participant's in this New Game!.

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Re: Panzer Corps goes Pacific

Post by uzbek2012 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:22 pm

how soon will this addon be released ?

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