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BaronVonKrieg
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Anybody notice this?

Post by BaronVonKrieg » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:34 pm

i dont know was this available in the base game, butr when playing with industrial connections ive got panther (p)- prototype version, mby something from upcoming dlc hmmmm :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by GUNDOBALDO08 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:45 pm

BaronVonKrieg wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:34 pm
i dont know was this available in the base game, butr when playing with industrial connections ive got panther (p)- prototype version, mby something from upcoming dlc hmmmm :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Wow! I’ll try soon 😀

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by BaronVonKrieg » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:52 pm

GUNDOBALDO08 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:45 pm
BaronVonKrieg wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:34 pm
i dont know was this available in the base game, butr when playing with industrial connections ive got panther (p)- prototype version, mby something from upcoming dlc hmmmm :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Wow! I’ll try soon 😀
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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by VirgilInTheSKY » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:59 pm

I noticed this Panter(P) when checking the unit csv, it was added in this update.

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by BaronVonKrieg » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:06 pm

VirgilInTheSKY wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:59 pm
I noticed this Panter(P) when checking the unit csv, it was added in this update.
also judging by the in game model it is VK30.01(D) why call it panther (p) usually p is for porche, but here mby it stands for prototype ?

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by FunPolice749 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:52 pm

Both that Panther P and a Panther IVH are in the game set to become available on August 1943. Although the IVH is super weird as it has a whopping 4 soft attack and is otherwise like a regular panther. I'm thinking these are either units for the next AO or there may be a secret we haven't found yet.

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by PaxusZero » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:56 pm

I also picked some up with industry connections. Sadly, like the Tiger (P), it has lower defenses than its counterpart. Still a good tank though.

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by BaronVonKrieg » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:07 pm

FunPolice749 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:52 pm
Both that Panther P and a Panther IVH are in the game set to become available on August 1943. Although the IVH is super weird as it has a whopping 4 soft attack and is otherwise like a regular panther. I'm thinking these are either units for the next AO or there may be a secret we haven't found yet.
ive read about panther IVH, it was command vehicle, gun didnt work they took out the breach for more room, so it makes sense that it doesnt have that much attack

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by Patrick Ward » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:01 pm

BaronVonKrieg wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:06 pm
VirgilInTheSKY wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:59 pm
I noticed this Panter(P) when checking the unit csv, it was added in this update.
also judging by the in game model it is VK30.01(D) why call it panther (p) usually p is for porche, but here mby it stands for prototype ?
VK = German abreviation for prototype
30 = 30 ton
.01 = first variation
D = Daimler-Benz

Panther (P) in game simply because the designer wanted to emphasise it was 'a' prototype of the Panther. ie. the Panther series didn't really start until the MAN version went into production.
FunPolice749 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:52 pm
Both that Panther P and a Panther IVH are in the game set to become available on August 1943. Although the IVH is super weird as it has a whopping 4 soft attack and is otherwise like a regular panther. I'm thinking these are either units for the next AO or there may be a secret we haven't found yet.
Yes. The Panther IVH is a command vehicle that was made from spare Panther A chassis ( or Bergepanther ) with a Panzer IVH turret welded in place with its main guns workings removed. So its only armament is its hull mounted mg.

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Pat a Pixel Pusher

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by BaronVonKrieg » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:19 pm

Patrick Ward wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:01 pm
BaronVonKrieg wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:06 pm
VirgilInTheSKY wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:59 pm
I noticed this Panter(P) when checking the unit csv, it was added in this update.
also judging by the in game model it is VK30.01(D) why call it panther (p) usually p is for porche, but here mby it stands for prototype ?
VK = German abreviation for prototype
30 = 30 ton
.01 = first variation
D = Daimler-Benz

Panther (P) in game simply because the designer wanted to emphasise it was 'a' prototype of the Panther. ie. the Panther series didn't really start until the MAN version went into production.
FunPolice749 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:52 pm
Both that Panther P and a Panther IVH are in the game set to become available on August 1943. Although the IVH is super weird as it has a whopping 4 soft attack and is otherwise like a regular panther. I'm thinking these are either units for the next AO or there may be a secret we haven't found yet.
Yes. The Panther IVH is a command vehicle that was made from spare Panther A chassis ( or Bergepanther ) with a Panzer IVH turret welded in place with its main guns workings removed. So its only armament is its hull mounted mg.

(P)at
yes yes im acquainted with that, thanks for joining in on the discussion !

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by terminator » Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:32 am

What’s the point of the Panther IVH ? I feel like I have wasted my prestige points with this unit ? I find no use for this unit...

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by VirgilInTheSKY » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:03 am

terminator wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:32 am
What’s the point of the Panther IVH ? I feel like I have wasted my prestige points with this unit ? I find no use for this unit...
I think you are not supposed to get it in your forces. Much more like a unit made for a specific scenario.

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by terminator » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:00 am

VirgilInTheSKY wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:03 am
terminator wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:32 am
What’s the point of the Panther IVH ? I feel like I have wasted my prestige points with this unit ? I find no use for this unit...
I think you are not supposed to get it in your forces. Much more like a unit made for a specific scenario.
But I can purchase the Panther IVH in the Salerno scenario...

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by VirgilInTheSKY » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:25 am

terminator wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:00 am
VirgilInTheSKY wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:03 am
terminator wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:32 am
What’s the point of the Panther IVH ? I feel like I have wasted my prestige points with this unit ? I find no use for this unit...
I think you are not supposed to get it in your forces. Much more like a unit made for a specific scenario.
But I can purchase the Panther IVH in the Salerno scenario...


Salerno.jpg
Looks like a miss when writing unit files for me. TigerP, PantherP and PantherIV were added together with AO 42 update, and since the first two are obviously prototype units when you consider their historical production, it could be that they forgot to add NoPurchase for these units. Another unit added the same time, SU-76i, also simply copied available year and Open Top trait from the existing SU-76, while this unit was actually enclosed.

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by scorehouse » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:27 pm

above it says in the base game then "upcoming DLC" and update also. so is there a base game update for these units or DLC update or both? :?

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by dalfrede » Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:22 am

scorehouse wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:27 pm
above it says in the base game then "upcoming DLC" and update also. so is there a base game update for these units or DLC update or both? :?
Most unit updates are for the DLCs that use them.

All unit updates apply to the base game.
This is the standard practice for the PzC series.
The DLCs 'pay' for the updates, then modders and others can use the new units as desired.
There comes a time on every project when it is time to shoot the engineer and ship the damn thing.

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Re: Anybody notice this?

Post by jeannot le lapin » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:06 am

scorehouse wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:27 pm
above it says in the base game then "upcoming DLC" and update also. so is there a base game update for these units or DLC update or both? :?
With updates and new dlcs, changes may affect the main campaign or previous dlcs. It is then necessary to make adaptations of the previous scenarios...

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