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SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by lortt1 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:02 pm

Is it possible to beat SCW DLC on generalissimus difficulty without using mass encirclements? I dont like that playstyle.

If so, which traits I should pick?

I won the vanilla campaign on generalissimus with liberator trait rather easily, but it does not seem to work on SCW, the AI drains my prestige.

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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by Edmon » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:38 pm

lortt1 wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:02 pm
Is it possible to beat SCW DLC on generalissimus difficulty without using mass encirclements? I dont like that playstyle.

If so, which traits I should pick?

I won the vanilla campaign on generalissimus with liberator trait rather easily, but it does not seem to work on SCW, the AI drains my prestige.
I think this campaign is sort of designed around some capturing, since the tanks the enemy has will be much better than yours. What you can do is take killer team and re-roll until you get overwhelming attack + shocktactics/Envelopment. This will allow you to create a unit that captures units with a single hit, without any encirclements. So you can claim some tanks but otherwise fight normally.

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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by DefiantXYX » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:24 am

lortt1 wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:02 pm
I won the vanilla campaign on generalissimus with liberator trait rather easily, but it does not seem to work on SCW, the AI drains my prestige.
If you limit your stock, your allies wont repair all the time and drain your prestige. On the other side it also makes it harder for you, since you wont capture a lot off stuff from the enemy with your playstyle.

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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by nexusno2000 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:56 am

lortt1 wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:02 pm
Is it possible to beat SCW DLC on generalissimus difficulty without using mass encirclements? I dont like that playstyle.

If so, which traits I should pick?

I won the vanilla campaign on generalissimus with liberator trait rather easily, but it does not seem to work on SCW, the AI drains my prestige.
The SCW is the special case here, bc the AI infantry both behaves in a mindless manner AND they reinforce from YOUR prestige pool. In the scenarios where you have some control of Ai inf you can limit the prestige drained but there are plenty of scenarios where you cannot completely avoid this prestige drain. Liberator just doesn't generate enough prestige, only captures matter at the GM level. It's probably possible to do it wo captures but the SCW is going to be a painful slog for you.

Once you hit 39 you should have no problems. Gift units, caches, prototypes from the scenarios, and maybe Industry Connections will give you enough good stuff to have an edge vs AI. Play with good supporting placement and you should be swimming in prestige, even on GM, even wo captures.
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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by nexusno2000 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:58 am

The other main option in SCW is hero cheese.

Use Killer Team and stack those heroes high.

But this is a pretty lame way to do it as it requires you to get the good heroes. Definitely doable.
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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by lortt1 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:30 pm

Thanks for the comments. Galland is the only reason why I even bother playing SCW, so maybe I will give a try with the hero cheese.

My aim is to play whole AO dlc series with generalissimus. So do you guys think that it is doable prestigewise without trophies/capture playstyle?

I have played AO with general difficulty and I am swimming in prestige. Probably I wont continue to AO43 with my current general core as it is way too easy.

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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by nexusno2000 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:01 pm

After SCW you don't need capture for prestige, only to get some good French tanks and such. After 1939 I get bored even with that and just blast everything.
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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by Bee1976 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:35 pm

Well, SCW without mass encirclements and mass captures is possible on generalissimus. But it is really hard.

I dislike that encircle all playstyle aswell, i dont play with it. Completly without capturing is way way way harder because of the inferior german hardware. If you want to try this:
Use the "Hold Position" Order on your allies, form the frontline bring in support and then unleash the infantry ;)
Cheap 1 Slot Strat-Bombers help to soften enemy units.

But i recommend playing without trophies trait or mass encirclements, but capture "valuable" equipment.

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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by sakura006 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:18 am

I beat the entire AO on generalissimus. SCW is the most difficult one IMO. There is no challenge at all beyond SCW. In SCW, you have less units, less experience, less heroes, less prestige and worse equipment compared to your enemy. You have no effective AT weapon against enemy tanks until 88 mm. You have no effective way to counter enemy air force unless you take AA veteran. You have no effective way to eliminate infantry in close terrain. Your AI "friend" constantly consumes your precious prestige. The scale of battle in some mission is even larger than Moscow and Stalingrad. I would also like to know how you can beat it if you don't encircle and capture enemy units.

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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by adiekmann » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:52 am

I haven't beaten SCW in anything higher than the middle difficulty for all the reason that others have already laid out. I do not play to encircle and capture everything because I find it boring. I am an old school Panzer General/Panzer Corps player who wants to smash everything quickly and efficiently as I go, not work out encirclements. That being said, especially in SCW, there are times when you really need that big Russian gun, or facing a difficult opponent and encirclement is the only way. As a result, I never take any of the "Power Four" other than just Trophies in SCW. All the other I have beaten in Generalissimus level, including starting without an imported core in AO41.

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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by nexusno2000 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:20 am

In SCW the great prestige generator is capture.

Play without Trophies on GM for a greater challenge. You will gain SOME prestige and SOME parts, so that's good, but it won't be enough to see you through - if you're not also careful. But IMO you don't need MASS encirclements. It's enough to go after units with equipment that you want, and the odd heavy AA and artillery pieces. It's pretty rough though, as there are scenarios that will really sap your prestige no matter what you do, thanks to the AI ally and the horrible way they recover with YOUR prestige. Horrible, horrible game design there :evil:

The best way to SAVE prestige which you have control over is AA VETERAN. Playing SCW without this one is... just painful. You will save countless prestige from losses you'd otherwise take from enemy air. And you can keep a much smaller airforce which means more OS steamroller tanks with good hero combos and heavy artillery.
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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by adiekmann » Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:56 pm

nexusno2000 wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:20 am
In SCW the great prestige generator is capture.

Play without Trophies on GM for a greater challenge. You will gain SOME prestige and SOME parts, so that's good, but it won't be enough to see you through - if you're not also careful. But IMO you don't need MASS encirclements. It's enough to go after units with equipment that you want, and the odd heavy AA and artillery pieces. It's pretty rough though, as there are scenarios that will really sap your prestige no matter what you do, thanks to the AI ally and the horrible way they recover with YOUR prestige. Horrible, horrible game design there :evil:

The best way to SAVE prestige which you have control over is AA VETERAN. Playing SCW without this one is... just painful. You will save countless prestige from losses you'd otherwise take from enemy air. And you can keep a much smaller airforce which means more OS steamroller tanks with good hero combos and heavy artillery.
True, I cannot imagine playing SCW without AA Veteran. I drop it once I get to Russia, but once the war turns on the Germans and they begin to face massive Allied air power, I think I'll need it possibly again. An alternative to AA Veteran is to use Lethal Attack heroes on your AA guns if you have an abundance of those (one of my favorites along with camouflage).

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Re: SCW Generalissimus - no trophies

Post by impar » Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:29 pm

Tried the SCW in Generalissimus this weekend, Liberator trait, also dont like to play large encirclements.
Reached Merida and then stopped, AI was draining prestige and failing to contribute by capturing.
Went from 640 to 7 prestige in just a few turns.

Tried in Field Marshall, reached Corunna yesterday with ~1.500 prestige. Tight, but looking good, considering better equipement, experience and heroes start doing their work.

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