One difficulty to allowing the cataphracts to ignore the ZoC of the Bowmen to their right is flank covering. If the Bowmen with their rear facing towards the catas were already engaged in melee, a rear charge would be automatic cohesion drop. This would also be the case for a flank charge; a common...

I wasn't in the tournament, but one thing that has always bugged me, especially for Cataphracts, is the following situation: Cats are 3 away from archers, facing towards them. If the archer 3 spots straight ahead faced the cat, the cat can charge him. However, if the archer 3 spots straight ahead t...

So an alternative list for Romano-British might look like this (new or adjusted units in bold text) . . . Armoured noble lancers 0/1 Noble cavalry 2 + 0/2 New Cavalry unit - average, protected, light spear/sword 1 + 0/2 Light Javelin Horse 0/3 New infantry unit - undrilled heavy foot, above average...

Thanks again for all the great work Pete!

Hehe, rather enjoying those Antigonid and Polish win statistics.

Yeah I must have looked at the unit size modifier value backwards when I was comparing the predictions for 480 man (which was probably initially under strength) and pike unit. Since with static base POA the melee POA of Pikes would remain virtually unchanged until they rout it would make sense to h...

Absolutely convincing argument. There would seem to be one solution, though a radical one. Have you considered putting different costs on the same units in different armies? (I am aware that making unit cost dependent on their army list = throwing out the unit cost formula all together in favour of...

Ooooof, the Kushan vs. Indo-Greek matchup is ROUGH. Just all out painful. Hoping to try it on a more open flat map at some point, but if there's any sort of terrain, the Indo-Greeks are completely safe. 2 Elephants, 2 pikes, and 2 thureos keep them completely safe from Kushan cataphracts. And horse ...

Personally I don't think aiming for the same unit cost for pikes as Hoplites is a sensible starting point. Emergence of Pikes made hoplites pretty much redundant so it seems sensible that Pikes are better and hence more expensive unit type. I think I was more aiming for Hastati as a cost starting p...

I need to see if I can get this thing set up on my computer to fully see what you see.

Sorry, I let my natural sarcastic asshole-ness shine through. Still it's a shame that a project that started out with so much promise is going down the direction of a small niche mod played by relatively few people that turns pikes into, what? a small fragile impact foot clone? No worries - communi...

yes that's correct. For some reason I thought I remembered reading something about removing -1 CTs imposed on pikes by other infantry, or by impact on impact or whatever to increase the Pike staying power...dunno there was a lot of things being discussed lol. :lol: Yeah, you're not wrong - a lot of...

Alright I have made the following additional changes and briefly tested them: Ele melee POA reduced to 50 vs steady pikes (did you mention this?) removed -1 ct modifier for pikes on impact vs impact foot added +1 ct modifier for average and above heavy foot vs pikes and now pikes are 720 and 3 rows...

First, is RBS even willing to consider implementing 720 sized pike units? If not, why are you wasting your time testing them? Second, as you guys continue to push off having to finalize unit size before testing melee balance, please explain to me why in the following screenshot, the thureophoroi ha...

Schweetness, have you been running the tests with 480 or 960 men? The unit size probably won't change unless you happen to locate some lost scrolls from Library of Alexandria that happen to establish the pikes moving and fighting in shallow formations. I have the scrolls but you can't see them :P I...

Where is then? Continuing with 480 will give different results to 960. I'm not saying I don't agree with the need to adjust how pikes work. I don't think they should be the steam roller they currently seem to be, but should rather be good at pinning the enemy until friends can arrive to roll up the...

how would it be different for 720 or 960 pikes? It would change the melee dynamic after the first few casualties, definitely change the unit cost, and would affect how vulnerable they were to missile attack. As best I understand. Personally I think armor is a better method of providing them missile...

I don't think disrupted/disordered pikes being vulnerable to cavalry and elephants is an issue. Pikes really need some clear weaknesses to allow more steady performance and price reduction a the same time. Schweetness, have you been running the tests with 480 or 960 men? The unit size probably won'...

Ach, yeah, I had forgotten we were still dealing with 480 size pikes. Here's my breakdown for 480 size pikes: - Above Average +25 POA impact and melee. - Slightly armored for a +12 POA in melee and reduction of missile damage <(While Steady in Open)> - 100 POA on Impact and Melee. - Decreases Impact...

sorry I got a bit confused here. 50 is steep for which number? the disparity between steady pike and swordsmen melee POA? So I should have: Impact: 1) Hastati vs steady pikes be even on Impact, rather than Hastati at +25 (because of troop quality); that is the impact foot impact POA reduction vs st...