Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by alasdair2204 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:29 pm

daveallen wrote:
alasdair2204 wrote: as I have been rejoined by Paddy there are lots and lots of guns,
As my army is chock full of schiltrons, sorry - keils, this doesn't sound like fun :cry:

Since the errata still don't include the proposed correction of the keil rule will I be allowed to reprise the performance of the dodgy Swiss concertina marching band? :oops:

Dave

Concertina Scots whatever next

look forward to seeing it on the table

cheers

Alasdair

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by rbodleyscott » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:59 pm

daveallen wrote:
alasdair2204 wrote: as I have been rejoined by Paddy there are lots and lots of guns,
As my army is chock full of schiltrons, sorry - keils, this doesn't sound like fun :cry:

Since the errata still don't include the proposed correction of the keil rule will I be allowed to reprise the performance of the dodgy Swiss concertina marching band? :oops:

Dave
OK, you forced my hand, new version of errata sheet coming up pronto (BEFORE next weekend), using your own proposed fix.
“Any non-tercio battle group that is capable of adopting keil formation (and not forbidden by its army list companion book from doing so) must do so at all times unless it is in, or forming, square. If as a result of base losses it ceases to be a keil, but still has at least eight heavy foot or determined foot bases, it must attempt to reform as a keil as soon as it is able. If it started the battle able to adopt keil formation, but as a result of base losses now has fewer than eight heavy foot or determined foot bases, the only formation changes permitted are to form or leave square, or reduce or expand frontage so that the heavy foot or determined foot are no more than one or two bases wide.”
We'll have no jiggery-pikery at Badcon!

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by mrbootsthecat » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:20 am

Jiggery -pikery was the only thing I was looking forward to.....

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by daveallen » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:58 am

no jiggery pikery at Badcon.
Another cunning plan scotched by perfidious sassenachs!

BTW, thought the r+r would be up by the noo*. Any chance of seeing 'em soon?

Dave

* just getting into character...

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by list_lurker » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:27 am

Code: Select all

1  KEVIN JOHNSON      BEN JONES            EARLY DANISH 1576AD
2  MICK HOOD          STU TONGE            LATER IMPERIAL AUSTRIAN 1590AD
3  NEIL DUFFELL       ALAN COLE            EARLY OTTOMAN TURK 1520AD
4  ALASDAIR HARLEY    PADDY BRAY           EARLY OTTOMAN TURK 1494AD
5  RICHARD BASON      IAN WILSON           EARLY HENRICHIAN ENGLISH 1515AD
6  PETER DAVIS        DAVE BAYNHAM         CAROLINE IMPERIALIST 1550AD
7  PAUL GREENWOOD     TONY RODWELL         L. AUSTRIAN IMPERIAL 1590AD
8  JO STAIT           STEVE HAMMOND        CAROLINE IMPERIALIST 1547AD
9  ADRIAN STEER       MICHAEL WHITTAKER    EARLY RUSSIAN 1550AD
10 DAVE ALLEN         SIMON LeRAY MEYER    SCOTTISH 1513AD
11 PAUL FREEMAN       JASON DAWSON         LATER DUTCH 80YW 1590AD
12 WAYNE CHARLTON     LYNETTE MAXIM        SAMURAI
as is stands, there may be a few more when all the scratch/local teams have shaken out.

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This system was only put in place last week , and there is the potential for the local wardens to go into overdrive. Certainly council officials got caught out on the first day

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by philqw78 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:18 pm

For those playing FoG(R) the new Errata is out HERE

Something about Keils
phil
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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by timmy1 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:31 pm

Richard and Phil, thank you for doing that and making it available.

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by grahambriggs » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:10 am

philqw78 wrote:For those playing FoG(R) the new Errata is out HERE

Something about Keils
Stretching it a bit to call this an errata, though I agree with the principle that pike would form up deep. Might be an issue with the mandatory nature of this perhaps. i.e. if my pike are close to enemy shooters and lose a base making me no longer a Keil can I charge in the impact phase or do I have to sit there so I can do a formation change in the Movement phase?

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by rbodleyscott » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:01 pm

grahambriggs wrote:
philqw78 wrote:For those playing FoG(R) the new Errata is out HERE

Something about Keils
Stretching it a bit to call this an errata, though I agree with the principle that pike would form up deep.


It's an omission from the published rules, hence an Erratum. I am not claiming it is a clarification. Anyway, why get hung up on semantics? It's official, that's what matters.
Might be an issue with the mandatory nature of this perhaps. i.e. if my pike are close to enemy shooters and lose a base making me no longer a Keil can I charge in the impact phase or do I have to sit there so I can do a formation change in the Movement phase?
If you come up with a better wording it can go in errata V1.09.

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by rbodleyscott » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:04 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
grahambriggs wrote:
philqw78 wrote:For those playing FoG(R) the new Errata is out HERE

Something about Keils
Stretching it a bit to call this an errata, though I agree with the principle that pike would form up deep.


It would be stretching it a bit to call it a clarification. However, it's an omission from the published rules, hence an Erratum. Anyway, why get hung up on semantics? (Apart from the natural wargamer's tendency to argue about everything, however pointless, even if it means a game timing out instead of victory.)

Call it whatever you like. It's official, which is what matters.

And if you think this is a dubious method of correcting the rules, you clearly have never taken part in Official MagicTheGathering tournaments.
Might be an issue with the mandatory nature of this perhaps. i.e. if my pike are close to enemy shooters and lose a base making me no longer a Keil can I charge in the impact phase or do I have to sit there so I can do a formation change in the Movement phase?
If you come up with a better wording it can go in errata V1.09.

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by alasdair2204 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:37 pm

Hi everyone

safe travel tommorrow, really looking forward to it having never played at Badcon

see you all there

cheers

Alasdair

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by marty » Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:06 am

Unfortunatley - its not he broad church that Usk was... I think people are catching on, or are a bit keen to win! :(

I suspect if you want a broader range of armies turning up in this period its not musket armed troops that should be prohibited, its impact pistol mounted.

Martin

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by grahambriggs » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:04 am

rbodleyscott wrote:
Might be an issue with the mandatory nature of this perhaps. i.e. if my pike are close to enemy shooters and lose a base making me no longer a Keil can I charge in the impact phase or do I have to sit there so I can do a formation change in the Movement phase?
If you come up with a better wording it can go in errata V1.09.
It might be sufficient to say "troops capable of Kiel formation must deploy in that formation and cannot make any voluntary move to change formation from Kiel formation to a non-Kiel formation".

That way a Kiel that gets battered down to 3 deep on the way in doesn't have to stop and reform if they were, say, in 3MU of undefended artillery.

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by mrbootsthecat » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:18 am

I'd just like to say that the event was very good. Excellently run and organised. We had four really good games and really enjoyed our first foray to Burton

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by alasdair2204 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:32 pm

mrbootsthecat wrote:I'd just like to say that the event was very good. Excellently run and organised. We had four really good games and really enjoyed our first foray to Burton
Same for us

really friendly and really enjoyed

Cheers

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by quackstheking » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:51 pm

But what was the result? Who won? Was Alasdair unseated and Paddy captured?

Gutted I wasn't there!!!

Don

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by kevinj » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:27 pm

Yes, as ever an excellent event, many thanks to those involved.

Sorry Don - no surprise winner to report!

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by daveallen » Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:00 pm

grahambriggs wrote:Stretching it a bit to call this an errata, though I agree with the principle that pike would form up deep. Might be an issue with the mandatory nature of this perhaps. i.e. if my pike are close to enemy shooters and lose a base making me no longer a Keil can I charge in the impact phase or do I have to sit there so I can do a formation change in the Movement phase?
I think you're reading more into this than is there. It doesn't say a BG must resume keil formation before it can do anything else, merely that it must attempt to do so as soon as it is able. No reason it can't declare a charge.

Dave

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by grahambriggs » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:36 am

daveallen wrote:
grahambriggs wrote:Stretching it a bit to call this an errata, though I agree with the principle that pike would form up deep. Might be an issue with the mandatory nature of this perhaps. i.e. if my pike are close to enemy shooters and lose a base making me no longer a Keil can I charge in the impact phase or do I have to sit there so I can do a formation change in the Movement phase?
I think you're reading more into this than is there. It doesn't say a BG must resume keil formation before it can do anything else, merely that it must attempt to do so as soon as it is able. No reason it can't declare a charge.

Dave
I was thinking Dave that it might prompt daft arguments: "you can't charge because then you'd be in close combat in the movement phase so you'd be unable to make a formation change. So you can't declare a charge" and other weaselly tosh like that

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Re: Badcon 2012 - 18th & 19th February 2012

Post by kevinj » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:53 am

Would it be better if the adjustment was made when the base loss occurred in the same way that Early Tercios mutate into Late Tercios when they can't keep up the ET formation?

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