Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by RonanTheLibrarian » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:08 pm

viking123 wrote:It would not be the same without you.
Indeed. Now my NMA has a chance (at least) of not finishing bottom!
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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by Buzz0000 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:05 am

Hi Bob

Along with the new points system, is it confirmed we will be picking 800 point armies from the 3 periods proposed by Will Denham (which would rule out my ECW Parliamentarians and other suggestions for using the NMA and the Scots Covenanters)?

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by viking123 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:52 am

David,

Will's 3 periods relate to Campaign not our ECW Oxford Round of the Southern League.

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by Buzz0000 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:40 pm

Apologies Bob - my mix up! :-(

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by RonanTheLibrarian » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:47 pm

Another player to add from Wessex - my son Patrick will be coming with us. Brings our contingent up to 4 (Davids Hewkin and Eggleston, and me are the others).
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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by viking123 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:14 pm

It will be great to have Patrick at the Oxford Round. Is he going to come higher in the finish than you!!!!

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by RonanTheLibrarian » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:41 pm

Unlikely, given he'll be using my dice - but you never know, they all have 6s on them (somewhere).....
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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by Vespasian28 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:56 pm

Patrick may conclusively prove it's not the dice that are unlucky but...... :D

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by viking123 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:55 pm

I did think once about making it similar to "The Worlds" were the dice are provided by the organisers. This stops claims of either unlucky dice or rigged dice.

I have enough dice to do it but my colleagues are unsure.

This would prove whether it is Brendan's dice that are at fault or his generalship!!!!!

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by kevinj » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:17 pm

But who'd want to borrow your dice? We've nearly all seen how bad they can be!

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by RonanTheLibrarian » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:02 pm

About three years ago, I was - unknowingly - slipped some loaded dice (weighted to roll 6s). My first three throws were 1,1 then 1,2 and then 1,1 again. Being told, then shown, how the dice were loaded, had me the closest I think I've ever been to tears around a wargames table.
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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by viking123 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:27 pm

I am not talking about the dice I use but rather I bought two "Pound-O-d6" from Cheessex a few years ago. These have never been used, so they are unaffected by my touch.

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by Vespasian28 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:51 pm

I'm not sure you need to have a pool of dice for all competitors. Brendan's laments about his die rolling are just that rather than any suspicion about dice. Before he joined our club I had the reputation for being the worst die roller, a title I gladly surrendered to him. His dice have been appalling from the moment I met him at a refight of Long Island some years back but sooner or later his luck must change and he is due, at least, a decade long winning streak :)

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by dene » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:29 pm

Hi Bob,

Could you please enter me and Steve Holt for this event. Wayne and Lynnette are also considering coming.

With up to 30 players and only 8 different armies have you considered a method to prevent all 30 of us turning up with the same army? How about limiting it to 5 of each army on a first come first served basis?
This would give you at least 6 different armies and players could avoid using the worst 2 army lists.

If you get less than 30 players just lower the 5 to 4 etc to get the same effect.

Over to you Bob.

Regards Dene

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by RonanTheLibrarian » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:34 am

In fairness, there are more than 8 options when you include all the variants, some of which can vary enormously from the "vanilla" version - eg Cornish Royalists, Northern Association Parliamentarian, Philliphaugh Covenanters, Pwinth Woopert'th Woyalitht Wapid Waiding Forth, etc. That said, my first year at Oxford (2015), I did bring a Late Royalist army that played three other Late Royalist armies - and there were four more listed, so eight in total from a field of 22; but maybe that was just the "armee du jour"?

Maybe we could all declare for King or Parliament (or some "third force"), pool the armies, and then dish them out randomly on the day so you play the "correct" side, but not your own army?
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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by viking123 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:50 am

Dene that will be great to have you and Steve at Oxford. What about Paul and your brother Simon? We will be using Paul's spreadsheet once Nik has finalised all the points issues.

I can think about at least 5 armies that should be coming to Oxford , if people bring what I think they will bring.

It is always a problem with tight themed competitions that a number of people will bring the same army. It happened at Campaign a couple of times. I would be concerned that either forcing someone to bring a specific army or not allowing them to play their own army would mean less players would attend. It may work in an in-house competition but with people coming some distance it just may put them off.. Playing ECW is very much personal as players are either for King or Parliament.

I will try to ensure that no Oxford Player will play each other in the first round and linked to this that a Royalist will play a Parliamentarian. I think I managed that last year.

Talking about people playing what about Nik. He has said he will play at Campaign to see how the updates work but the Oxford Round is before that and will give him an earlier chance.

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by benjones1211 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:52 am

These are the results from last year

1 12 Geoff Punshon Scots Royalist 6 11 13 10 25 24 59
2 14 David Eggleston Early Royalist Cornish 8 10 3 13 9 20 42
2 1 Paddy Bray Later Royalist 18 4 19 6 21 15 42
4 13 Andy Kitcher Early Royalist Cornish 5 3 12 16 20 1 37
5 20 Wayne Chalton Later Royalist 10 8 18 8 14 13 35
6 7 Stephen Stead Royalist Raiding Force 11 9 10 10 10 14 34
7 6 Charles Masefield New Model Army 12 16 2 10 10 12 32
8 19 Lynette Maxim Later Royalist 15 18 1 15 12 5 32
9 17 Bruce Rollet Parliament 16 2 15 11 10 10 31
9 9 Ray Boyles Scots Covenanter 2 7 16 10 10 11 31
11 10 Brendan Morrissey New Model Army 20 14 7 12 11 6 29
11 3 Tom Elsworth Parliament 4 13 14 19 5 5 29
11 18 Tim Porter Scots Covenanter 1 19 20 14 8 7 29
14 16 Nigel Emsen Early Royalist Cornish 17 6 9 9 10 9 28
14 2 Jerry Bray Early Royalist Cornish 9 17 6 10 10 8 28
16 15 Paul Kitcher Later Royalist 19 5 17 5 11 10 26
17 8 Isobel Stead Parliament 14 20 4 7 6 11 24
18 11 Paul Marsh Parliament 7 12 5 10 0 12 22
19 5 Will Denham Parliament 13 15 11 4 9 8 21
20 4 Pete Simpson Scots Royalist 3 1 8 6 4 9 19

2 Scots Royalists (top and Bottom!!!)
4 Early Royalist Cornish (towards the top, and middle bottom)
1 Early Royalist Raiding Force (middling top)
4 Late Royalists (towards the top except one towards the bottom)
2 Scots Covenanter (in the middle)
2 New Model Army (in the middle)
5 Parliament (middle to bottom)

11 Royalists
9 Parliament
20 Players 7 different army types, and the Parliament armies could be quite different depending on year as well as the Scots Royalists depending on how many Highlanders they bring. So last year I would say there was a great chance of meeting a lot of different armies.

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by benjones1211 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:05 pm

And for the previous year

1 11 Alasdair Harley Scots Covenanter 5 22 21 22 25 24 71
2 14 Andy Kitcher Early ECW Royalist 10 20 6 16 13 24 53
2 10 Keith Spedding Scots Royalist 14 16 1 9 25 19 53
4 17 Gordon Jamieson New Model 4 3 12 14 13 16 43
5 1 Ben Jones Scots Royalist 7 12 10 20 12 6 38
5 21 Bruce Rollett Late ECW Royalist 15 19 11 11 24 1 36
7 2 Paddy Bray Scots Covenanter 16 15 13 12 13 10 35
7 12 Tim Porter Parliament 6 1 17 18 8 9 35
7 20 Paul Marsh Parliament 13 14 22 16 7 12 35
10 13 Brian Holmes Late ECW Royalist 20 7 2 4 19 10 33
11 7 Geoff Punshon Parliament 1 13 4 5 6 21 32
11 22 Bob Medcraft Late ECW Royalist 9 11 20 24 0 8 32
13 3 Jerry Bray Late ECW Royalist 18 17 8 14 7 10 31
14 6 Will Denham Parliament 12 4 14 7 22 1 30
14 8 Charles Masefield Late ECW Royalist 19 18 3 6 14 10 30
14 9 Stephen Stead Late ECW Royalist 22 5 15 1 17 12 30
17 18 Brendan Morrissey Late ECW Royalist 3 8 19 6 6 13 25
18 15 Nigel Emsen Confederate Irish 21 2 9 9 7 8 24
19 5 Pete Simpson Scots Royalist 11 9 16 3 3 16 22
19 19 David Hewkin Late ECW Royalist 8 21 18 14 1 7 22
21 16 Andy Finkel Scots Covenanter 2 10 5 8 0 9 17
22 4 Tom Elsworth Early ECW Royalist 17 6 7 6 3 4 13

3 Scots Royalists (top, middle and bottom)
2 Early Royalist (top and bottom)
8 Late Royalists (middle and bottom)
3 Scots Covenanter (top, middle and bottom)
1 New Model Army (top)
4 Parliament (middle)
1 Confederate Irish (bottom)

13 Royalists
6 Parliament

Again 7 armies over 22, maybe 8 as the Early Royalist don't define which they are (normal, Cornish, Raiding Force), although as you said a preponderance Late Royalists

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by Zanoni » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:53 pm

Hi Ben,

I'm hoping to be able to make this year as usual.

Cheers,

Geoff

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Re: Oxford Round of the Southern League 2017

Post by viking123 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:11 pm

Geoff,

Can you persuade more of the Central London players to come. Most of them seem to declare for Parliament so it would be nice to see them in the King's Capital, especially that Australian!!!! He can now get from Marylebone Station to Oxford by train.

Bob

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