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DLC: Captured Units

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:02 pm
by huertgenwald
Just for curiosity:

How long are foreign units captured ?

Just for the scenario or do they even become core units ??

TIA

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:10 pm
by IainMcNeil
Core units :)

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:16 pm
by Ranta
Do not loose what you like, you wont get it back :D

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:37 pm
by huertgenwald
Thx :!:

Digging a bit deeper:

Are they counted against my own coreunits,
or are they free like the SE units ?

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:52 pm
by AgentX
huertgenwald wrote:Thx :!:

Digging a bit deeper:

Are they counted against my own coreunits,
or are they free like the SE units ?
They're just like your other core units and take a deployment slot, unlike the SE units.

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:17 pm
by airbornemongo101
They can be upgraded,,so you keep th experience they aquire

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:38 pm
by Naxor
I dont know how to capture them. Should i destroy the trains or only the units around them. :/

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:08 pm
by nikivdd
Naxor wrote:I dont know how to capture them. Should i destroy the trains or only the units around them. :/
A captured unit appears automatically after you took a city (at the start of the following turn). Ofcourse the city is not one with a victory hex.
In some maps you can find such a unit, but not in every map ofcourse.
A captured unit takes up 1 core slot, can be upgraded, and i'm sure the ones you'll find, you gonna like it ;).

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:22 pm
by huertgenwald
Staying bothersome: :?

Let's say i play scenario No. x in DLC '39.
Capture one unit -> +1 core unit. (Right ?)
Winning (of course) i then play scenario No. x+1

In this scenario i should get +1 core unit at the start.

Now what happens ??

Do i get it or does it say "Hey, you already have gotten one extra core unit and that's it !" :shock:

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:32 pm
by nikivdd
huertgenwald wrote:Staying bothersome: :?

Let's say i play scenario No. x in DLC '39.
Capture one unit -> +1 core unit. (Right ?)
Winning (of course) i then play scenario No. x+1

In this scenario i should get +1 core unit at the start.

Now what happens ??

Do i get it or does it say "Hey, you already have gotten one extra core unit and that's it !" :shock:
Scenario x= 15 core units, you find a captured unit = +1 core, so you have 16 core units from this moment.
Scenario x+1 can be 16 core slots: so you can deploy your 15 units and the one you captured
Scenario x+1 can also be 15: that means you cannot deploy one core unit, but you can always decide which one not to use (you don't lose the unit, it is being kept aside). If you would lose a core unit during this scenario, than you will be able to deploy the one kept aside.
Scenario x+2 can be 16 , so then you can use them all. There will be a scenario sooner or later where you can deploy every core unit you possess.

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:38 pm
by Kerensky
If you capture too many units and not enough core slots are open in the following scenario, well then it's time to put the 'reserves' function into use. :)

viewtopic.php?t=28205&highlight=reserve

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:58 pm
by huertgenwald
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Thx :cry:

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:45 am
by Shrike
I only recall capturing Polish artillery in Warsaw in the '39 campaign. Haven't been able to upgrade it though. Is it really possible without disbanding or switching to another unit of the same category entirely?

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:51 am
by Kerensky
Shrike wrote:I only recall capturing Polish artillery in Warsaw in the '39 campaign. Haven't been able to upgrade it though. Is it really possible without disbanding or switching to another unit of the same category entirely?
The only upgrade path for captured equipment is German equipment. Upgrading can be done during the deploy phase.
Otherwise we might run into situations where someone captures a Matilda II in 1940, and magically upgrades it into a Firefly in 1944.

Think of these captured units as temporary bonuses. You get a free unit that you cannot normally acquire. You can keep it and use it, or sell it for a prestige boost. By the time the unit gets outdated, you can choose to sell it then, or if you want to preserve the experience/leaders of the unit, you can upgrade it by giving the unit German equipment.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:00 am
by Shrike
Fair enough, just wanted to be clear on this. I have an inkling that capturing Modlin on the map previous to the actual Modlin map may yield some benefit. Unfortunately, my sparse troops going north were woefully unprepared for those heavy defenses.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:03 am
by Ranta
does anyone have a list, what can be acquired where?

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:00 am
by Fimconte
You can capture only one unit per scenario?
I had four "Captured 105 wz.29"s in Warsaw North, but at the start of Spoils of War (Or Oslo) I only have one in my core.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:14 am
by nikivdd
Fimconte wrote:You can capture only one unit per scenario?
I had four "Captured 105 wz.29"s in Warsaw North, but at the start of Spoils of War (Or Oslo) I only have one in my core.
3 artillery units are marked as aux units and one as core.
Is it not a good deal that you can keep at least one? ;)

It is possible to design a scenario where you can capture 50 units, but what would be the fun of that?
Units you can keep are scattered over various scenario's, but never more than 1 per scenario.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:01 pm
by Fimconte
nikivdd wrote: 3 artillery units are marked as aux units and one as core.
Is it not a good deal that you can keep at least one? ;)

It is possible to design a scenario where you can capture 50 units, but what would be the fun of that?
Units you can keep are scattered over various scenario's, but never more than 1 per scenario.
It's not mentioned in the briefing that you can't keep all the liberated artillery pieces.
I didn't notice it on the map, but it's not a huge issue anyway.

And well, while nice as flavour items, I find that selling them is more prudent as you'll pay the full upgrade cost if you want to upgrade them into German units.
Although I find myself flush with prestige on Field Marshal.

Having 10 artillery pieces was nice though, helped in the cleansing of Warsaw.

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:04 am
by Kerensky
Massive spoiler below























Warsaw: Polish artillery
Dunkirk: Matilda II (De Panne)
Sedan: Souma (Margul)
Reims: Char B1 (Soupes)
Dijon: Char B1 (Moulins)