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Most hated scenarios

Post by LandMarine47 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:04 am

what scenarios are the most hated of all the games? These are my top scenarios from hell

GC 45 Sealion
Gazala Line AK
Cobra AC
Bagaration Vanilaa
All of Stalingrad
Moscow
Dieppe
Oboyan GC 43
Kiev 43 GC 43
USA West
Sicily AC
India AK
Germany (East and West)

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by BiteNibbleChomp » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:35 am

To add to the list:

Simferopol GC42
Crusader AC
USA (the 1st one)
Monte Cassino (2nd one, GC44W)
2nd Offensive AK
Border Raids AC (this is so easy it is just boring)
Low Countries (Vanilla)
Sea lion 40
Prokhorovka GC43E (the only scenario I have raged at and then cheated a loss to admit defeat but continue the campaign)

And some evil WWIs that I designed:

Verdun
Brusilov Offensive
Cambrai
Arras18
Mons18
German Revolution

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by Uhu » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:04 am

Only the vanilla Overlord scenario because it is so poorly designed and since the patches it is also impossible to make a DV because the AI spwans 50+ inf units which you cannot destroy (DV: no Allied ground units on the mainland)...
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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by captainjack » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:17 am

When playing AC, I often skip the air raid on the Italian fleet (Taranto?). I think I dislike the single shot planes, which requires a lot of reloading, but also because there's no real prospect for scouting the location of AA batteries, so it's a bit too much of a lottery for my taste.

One thing I have learnt is that some of the really hard scenarios get more manageable after a while - partly because I know what to expect, but also as my units mix and tactics improve. But Vyazma's mud can still give me the horrors and some of the 44 East scenarios are really tough and drove me back to the desert to relax in Gazala....

I haven't tried Vanilla under 1.2 rules - I will have to give it a go to see what happens. Under 1.14 for Overlord I would form inland defensive positions, and then counter attack when I had reduced the air power and armour enough. It never seemed that hard when I did that. Up till this weekend I used to loathe Persia but just I got a comfortable DV and can't really see a reason for it.

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by antoniocapo » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:41 pm

captainjack wrote:But Vyazma's mud can still give me the horrors
First 9 turns got 7 of mud and my core is 33% airforce, depressing.

I will also add Lake Balaton in Vanilla, can it be DV?

And a campaign ending shocker: Kasserine Pass as the Americans in AC. My core was at most one star and the tanks are pure junk. German have better tanks and more stars. Then after a MV its a recycled British campaign tree again? Quitted dissapointed and started the AK instead.

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by ksasaki » Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:30 pm

Streets of Moscow is very depressing, so is Demyansk Pocket. It killed my will to battle against those waves of conscripts in Moskva. I don't think Simferopol was that bad, to be honest, my big guns made short work of the fortresses.

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by BiteNibbleChomp » Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:36 am

ksasaki wrote:Streets of Moscow is very depressing, so is Demyansk Pocket. It killed my will to battle against those waves of conscripts in Moskva. I don't think Simferopol was that bad, to be honest, my big guns made short work of the fortresses.
In Simferopol, you only get 12 turns, and you have to move VERY quickly. I'm better at WWI style battles that you don't ever have to move as fast.

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by ksasaki » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:41 pm

I'm sorry, I must be thinking of Sevastapol Assault, Simferopol was the one before that....I remember that was back in the day when I overstrengthed every unit to the maximum....that probably helped

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by heinkill » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:18 pm

Cobra Allied Corps.

Unless you come into it with an army of experienced hard core units, you are screwed because all Axis armor is at least *** and or SE, and so are the Luftwaffe air units.

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by KageToraUK » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:40 pm

Poland.

Because every time I install on a new computer, I have to keep bloody playing Poland and those Slovakian units are bloody useless.
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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by nightterrors » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:47 pm

Vyazma in '41 is very frustrating due to all the mud.
Moscow '41 in case your advance and air force gets stuck in 3+ turns of rain.

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by Longasc » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:50 pm

US East Coast. I rather land my units during Sea Lion than that!

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by BiteNibbleChomp » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:20 pm

Longasc wrote:US East Coast. I rather land my units during Sea Lion than that!
But would you rather land units in Uk18? That is similar to USA East

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by Longasc » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:54 am

I tried to figure out, but what scenario is UK18?

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by LandMarine47 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:58 am

BNC's upcoming WW1 mod features a what if invasion of the UK in 1918, ending the Great War with total dominance! (Having fun writing the briefing for this jewel :wink: :))

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by BiteNibbleChomp » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:17 am

Longasc wrote:I tried to figure out, but what scenario is UK18?
This thing:
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Yep, WWI Sealion :twisted:

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by Anfield » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:38 am

Vanilia D-Day, played it the other day, what a pain. Allied airpower is a killer, took out half my core planes. Then once you finally get the Allies planes under control and get close to the beaches, their navy just hammers you like mad. Luckily had one strat bomber left so slowly knocked most of the ships down to 2-3 strength. Had no issues with the ground troops, but that air and then sea attack was one of the tuffer things i can recall facing in a long time.

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by El_Jairo » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:18 pm

I have limited experience so for me it is Sealion 42. How many times I did restart that one? Last time I tryed I fell 1 turn short of DV. Ok, it was due to bad planning, which made the defence of the most Western city (Bristol?) 2 AA defended by an arty and my towed arty was no way near... I finally gave in because I didn't have any good save game.
I started GC, which is that much easier (I'm playing on FM) because there is no rush.

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by BiteNibbleChomp » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:20 am

I think everyone can agree that Mons 18 is the meanest scenario every created (thanks to me :twisted: ) - If you are willing to fight over 200 enemies in a fighting withdrawl to a position that will get overrun as soon as 1 unit is broken in its defense, then choose your own scenario to claim more mean than this.

Compare:

Mons18 - 200+ enemies, 32 core slots = 7:1
Prokhorovka (GC43) - 150 enemies, 40 core slots = 3.5:1
Bagration - 100ish enemies, 25-30 core slots = 4:1
Oboyan + Yakovelvo (and probably the 2 northern ones as well) (GC43) - 120 enemies, 36 core slots = 3.5:1
Dieppe - 50 enemies, 15 core slots = 3:1
Berlin (GC45E) - ??? enemies, 10 core slots = probably just less than 7:1

Now does it make sense??

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Re: Most hated scenarios

Post by jkombae » Fri May 09, 2014 9:48 am

I do like most of the DLC 43/44 scenarios as well as the mass attack scenarios in the end. Yes, they are challenging and hard to win, but make fun.

I do not like most of the DLC40 scenarios. It is not a question of the level of difficulty... they are just boring (especially the pre-UK ones in Belgium), like Albert Canal.

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