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Me.109E vs. 109F

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:41 am
by ptje63
Im a bit discouraged while travelling through Russia in January 1945, so decided to have a third go at Afrika, Manstein level.
My strategy regarding Italian units, is to exchange for German units, as soon as prestige permits, in order to have them gain experience (and heroes) as soon as possible, while maintaining a healthy level of experienced/in-experienced units. Also due to the fact that Italian units (understandable) cannot be upgraded to German units.
Im having trouble if I should spend 40 precious prestige to upgrade the Me.109E to F: does the 7 vs. 11 initiative and 18 vs. 19 air defense weigh up to a drop of 14 vs. 12 air attack? Asides from the +1 movement and +12 fuel...
Current unit only scratches surface of British Beaufighter |-).

Re: Me.109E vs. 109F

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:28 pm
by shawkhan2
With the higher initiative, the F will fire first. Should not take as much damage in Ftr vs Ftr combat.
The E should be somewhat better against bombers

Re: Me.109E vs. 109F

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:00 pm
by goose_2
shawkhan2 wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:28 pm
With the higher initiative, the F will fire first. Should not take as much damage in Ftr vs Ftr combat.
The E should be somewhat better against bombers
The extra gas and ability to be out in the field for longer periods of time does it for me

Re: Me.109E vs. 109F

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:05 pm
by TSPC37730
goose_2 wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:00 pm
shawkhan2 wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:28 pm
With the higher initiative, the F will fire first. Should not take as much damage in Ftr vs Ftr combat.
The E should be somewhat better against bombers
The extra gas and ability to be out in the field for longer periods of time does it for me
Agreed. The extra 12 units of fuel is about another turn in the air. With the remote airfields in the AK scenarios, this can be important.

Re: Me.109E vs. 109F

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:10 pm
by captainjack
For me, the extra fuel of the F is most important in AK, then the inititive.
The E is slightly better on defensive fire because initiative doesn't matter for this and against very low initiative bombers and biplane fighters but that's about it.

Re: Me.109E vs. 109F

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:15 am
by slowgtp
The Fritz, even with the less attack power, is more valuable in the long run than the Emil due to the better range and initiative. Hell, it's arguably at least on an even keel with the early Gustavs. Ultimately though, I stay with the Gustav because the Spitfires, La-5s, and Yak9s become mighty tough if you don't have any or minimal Fw-190s.

Re: Me.109E vs. 109F

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:24 pm
by JaM2013
Personally, i think Spitfire MkV is modeled quite underwhelmingly.. it was superior to all german fighters up till FW-190A appeared.. yet you have literally no problems facing these..