Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow?

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Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow?

Post by PeteMitchell_2 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:18 am

I may have a chance to visit the Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow later this year:

http://tankmuseum.ru/kubinka-visit-tour-from-moscow/

Does anyone have any experiences in visiting it? Thanks!

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Re: Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow?

Post by goose_2 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:19 pm

PeteMitchell_2 wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:18 am
I may have a chance to visit the Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow later this year:

http://tankmuseum.ru/kubinka-visit-tour-from-moscow/

Does anyone have any experiences in visiting it? Thanks!

OH BUDDY...That looks like so much fun. Enjoy, and I would love to get your thoughts on the visit and what you were amazed at.
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Re: Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow?

Post by captainjack » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:43 am

That sounds great.

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Re: Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow?

Post by proline » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:43 pm

I would just keep in mind that Russia is a totalitarian country. While many people visit every year without issue, that's the best case scenario. In a dictatorship you do not have individual human rights or the ability to appeal to an independent judiciary. It is always possible to be swept up in politics beyond your control. As an example, the Chinese government took two Canadians hostage in an attempt to exchange them for a Huawei executive who was lawfully arrested for fraud in Vancouver. She is living under "house arrest" in a glorious mansion, they are living in solitary confinement with the lights on 24/7. When visiting a dictatorship, do not expect to be treated better than the way the locals treat each other just because you are foreign.

TLDR: when you put your life in the hands of a dictator, mileage may vary.

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Re: Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow?

Post by ptje63 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:18 pm

Sounds great. Would surely take the opportunity if I were you, I know I would ;-)

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Re: Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow?

Post by PeteMitchell_2 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:49 pm

Thanks for your views, guys!

@proline: where are you from?

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Re: Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow?

Post by proline » Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:45 pm

PeteMitchell_2 wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:49 pm
@proline: where are you from?
That's absolutely the wrong question to be asking. I appreciate that if you are from Belarus or Saudi Arabia or China you may have developed some degree of comfort with dictatorships. You may believe that the bad things never happen to anyone you know, or you may believe the state propaganda that they all deserved it anyways. Unfortunately, that comfort is an illusion. In a country where there are no human rights, including the right to effective legal representation and a fair trial, anything can happen. Again, I fully accept that 99.9% of the time things go off ok. Then again, you can always end up like the various "tourists" who go to North Korea thinking everything will be ok because the local government wants tourist only to be used as a bargaining chip and then be sent home on a ventilator. You can Google "Otto Warmbier" for details on that (and yes, I know the Russian dictatorship is a little gentler than the NK one... so far).

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Re: Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow?

Post by PeteMitchell_2 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:44 pm

Thanks proline, I was just curious, no hard feelings... I agree with you and I will be careful!

Thanks for pointing it out!

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Re: Kubinka Tank Museum near Moscow?

Post by proline » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:28 am

PeteMitchell_2 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:44 pm
Thanks proline, I was just curious, no hard feelings... I agree with you and I will be careful!

Thanks for pointing it out!
There's no question thought the museum has an amazing collection including many things you can't find elsewhere. If Russia ever becomes a democracy I'd love to see it too. But of the 21 countries I've been to so far, all of them have been liberal democracies except one and I'd like to keep it that way (that one being Vatican City which has a pretty good reputation compared to other totalitarian regimes- they haven't killed anyone since the 1800s).

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