GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by Cataphract88 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:16 am

I think that in order for Italy to surrender you should have to capture at least something on mainland Italy itself (not Albania).
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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by Cybvep » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:22 am

I'm not sure about this. It sounds like sth that could potentially encourage the players to camp in mainland Italy and we want them to fight in the NA, to protect Sicily properly, not to ignore Sardinia etc.

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by Happycat » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:07 pm

I am okay with the current setup for Italian surrender. It's realistic enough, and more importantly and as Cybvep has already commented upon, we don't want to encourage Axis players to ignore Sicily, Sardinia or North Africa.
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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by Crazygunner1 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:47 pm

I like the itlaian surrender as is. Agree with earlier post that it forces players to go on the offensive in the middle east or defend Sicilly, Sardinia and the Na

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by OxfordGuy3 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:39 pm

Is 3.01 close to release? What are the main changes currently? Is there a changelog? Thanks

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by Numdydar » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:31 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:Question regarding the Italian surrender cities.

I'm playtesting and as the Allies captured Tripoli, Tunis, Cagliari, Palermo and Messina, but have not captured anything on mainland Italy. Under the current rules it means that Italy will surrender.

Is that maybe too harsh or should we e. g. make a slight modification so the Allies must capture at least 1 extra rail depot or city, e. g. Reggio.

The surrender limit is now 5, but we can e. g. alter the value to 11 and let a rail depot count as 1 and a city as 2 instead of 0.5 and 1 as now.

Do you think this is a good change or should we keep the surrender rules as is?

With the change you have to capture something on mainland Italy or Albania to enforce a surrender.
Historically Italy did not surrender until Rome fell. So I would say unless Rome is captured, Italy can continue to fight on.

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by richardsd » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:04 pm

Italy surrendered before the Allies landed on the mainland as I recall - after Sicily but before mainland

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by Diplomaticus » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:15 pm

Numdydar wrote:
Stauffenberg wrote:Question regarding the Italian surrender cities.

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With the change you have to capture something on mainland Italy or Albania to enforce a surrender.
Historically Italy did not surrender until Rome fell. So I would say unless Rome is captured, Italy can continue to fight on.
That's actually not true at all. The Italians kicked out Mussolini and capitulated shortly after the Allied conquest of Sicily was complete, and the first Allied landings in the 'boot' were taking place. As has been discussed in detail elsewhere on this forum, in actual fact the Italians were moving rapidly toward surrender even without an invasion of the Italian mainland.

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by Crazygunner1 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:40 pm

Hi

I didn´t have time to read all the posts. But have the Russian oil stock been changed?

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by Morris » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:08 am

Crazygunner1 wrote:Hi

I didn´t have time to read all the posts. But have the Russian oil stock been changed?

Crazyg

it seems from 200 to 600 at the beginning of 1942 Barbarosa . So you have to reconsider your new strategy when 3.01 launched . :) But it is great in our present game ! :D

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by Crazygunner1 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:28 am

Morris wrote:
Crazygunner1 wrote:Hi

I didn´t have time to read all the posts. But have the Russian oil stock been changed?

Crazyg

it seems from 200 to 600 at the beginning of 1942 Barbarosa . So you have to reconsider your new strategy when 3.01 launched . :) But it is great in our present game ! :D
It´s actually not my strategy, Max tried it against me but couldn´t make it work. I reformed it and tried against you. But you have on the other hand you put up a good struggle. Thought that i would have taken the Ukraine and Caucasus by now. But no rush

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by Numdydar » Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:48 pm

Diplomaticus wrote:
Numdydar wrote:
Stauffenberg wrote:Question regarding the Italian surrender cities.

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With the change you have to capture something on mainland Italy or Albania to enforce a surrender.
Historically Italy did not surrender until Rome fell. So I would say unless Rome is captured, Italy can continue to fight on.
That's actually not true at all. The Italians kicked out Mussolini and capitulated shortly after the Allied conquest of Sicily was complete, and the first Allied landings in the 'boot' were taking place. As has been discussed in detail elsewhere on this forum, in actual fact the Italians were moving rapidly toward surrender even without an invasion of the Italian mainland.
We are both wrong lol. But I was more wrong than you :D . Italy surrendered once Allied troops we ashore on the mainland of Italy. They did not surrender just because of Sicily. So Some part of the Italian mainland needs to occupied prior to the Italian surrender. It can pretty much be anything.

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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by GogTheMild » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:40 pm

I think that you were both right :lol: :

25 July. Control of the Italian armed forces passed to King Victor Emmanuel III.
26 July. Mussolini dismissed as prime minister and imprisoned. A new government takes over in Italy and begins secret negotiations with the Allies.
3 September. A secret armistice signed with the Allies. British troops crossed to the 'toe' of Italy.
8 September. The armistice was publicly announced.
9 September. Major Allied landings took place at Salerno and Taranto.
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Re: GS v3.01 slight modifications for testing

Post by sanderz » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:18 am

looking forward to this update - any news on a release date?

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