What are "different commands" for Interpenetration CMT?

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What are "different commands" for Interpenetration CMT?

Post by SirGarnet » Thu May 15, 2014 8:05 am

While CMT for passing through a different division is specified in Assault, in movement the CMT table requires a CMT for "units of different commands" to pass through each other?

What does "command" mean? Page 16 refers to the player's entire force of one or more corps as his "command."

Or does "command" mean Corps? This would be a sensible interpretation, as it would enable divisions to work together better if in the same corps, but is there something in the rules that establishes this?

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Re: What are "different commands" for Interpenetration CMT?

Post by BrettPT » Thu May 15, 2014 10:04 am

I think that 'command' means division in this context.
Page 16 talks about a player's command, which is a Corps in a standard game.

A unit's command I assume (and we have always played) means a division.
However you are correct. It would be more accurate for the word 'command' to be switched to 'division' in the CMT table, and on page 40.

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Re: What are "different commands" for Interpenetration CMT?

Post by deadtorius » Thu May 15, 2014 10:20 am

We also play it by division. You can't charge through troops of a different division.

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Re: What are "different commands" for Interpenetration CMT?

Post by MikeHorah » Thu May 15, 2014 3:20 pm

Ok let’s reason this this through. ( See Nafziger “Imperial Bayonets”).
This manoeuvre is the “ passage of lines” and is described by a number of contemporary senior French officers eg Ney and Dedon and in reglements. It is intended for a group of 4-8 Btns in 2-4 regiments in two lines of battalions and predates the era , for example it is in the 1776 reglements, when there were neither Divisions nor Corps d’armee.

As such it is not a divisional manoeuvre but a brigade level one so Divisions is the right level of
“ command “ for this manoeuvre. That is not necessarily the same for other things however eg in a multi Corps Game.

It also deals with the issue of there being divisions from different armies in the same Corps eg Confederation of the Rhine , whose own reglements may not have prescribed the same ways of carrying out the manoeuvre by the constituent battalions each of whom has to conform to specific drill movements to allow it to happen . There were at least two French ones at various times 1791 and 1776 and they changed again after 1791 so we cannot be sure how aligned they were with allies eg Bavarians and Saxons – the later probably using Prussian drill methods, at least until 1809, and the former influenced by Rumford a British officer. But allies as such are in separate Divisions so no problem there.

Formations like KGL and the Portuguese in Spain would have been integrated with British methods. Croats, Swiss etc with French.

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Re: What are "different commands" for Interpenetration CMT?

Post by SirGarnet » Thu May 15, 2014 6:44 pm

Thank you for the statement of intention and explanation, which encourages attention to divisional depth and coordination.

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