Shifting from DBM

azrael86 · Post by **azrael86** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:00 pm

Fluffy wrote:
I agree, you need to focus on very different skills to do well at FoG
Which skills would you say I should focus on?

I'm guessing you didn't play anything older than DBM/DBA - if you did then fog works quite like 7th edition (or indeed 6th edition) - although obviously it has some major differences as well.

But you need to get away from element thinking and into battlegroup thinking.

If the exchange rate and income/cost is a major factor then maybe someone in SA should start making figures locally both for sale and export?

Fluffy · Post by **Fluffy** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:57 am

If the exchange rate and income/cost is a major factor then maybe someone in SA should start making figures locally both for sale and export?

If someone did we would like it, but wargaming is simply not big enough down here to make it worthwhile.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:47 am

hazelbark wrote: Colin has lots to be disagreed on, but has contributed a heroic amount.

However, I fear his current attitude may well lead to RSA being cut off from what the rest of the world is doing - I note that there appear to be no RSA players at the IWC for the first time ...

Fluffy · Post by **Fluffy** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:10 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:
hazelbark wrote: Colin has lots to be disagreed on, but has contributed a heroic amount.

However, I fear his current attitude may well lead to RSA being cut off from what the rest of the world is doing - I note that there appear to be no RSA players at the IWC for the first time ...

That's the main reason I got into FoG.

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:33 am

nikgaukroger wrote:
hazelbark wrote: Colin has lots to be disagreed on, but has contributed a heroic amount.

However, I fear his current attitude may well lead to RSA being cut off from what the rest of the world is doing - I note that there appear to be no RSA players at the IWC for the first time ...

This may be due to factors other than FOG as there is a DBM tournament at the IWC.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:39 am

lawrenceg wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:
hazelbark wrote: Colin has lots to be disagreed on, but has contributed a heroic amount.

However, I fear his current attitude may well lead to RSA being cut off from what the rest of the world is doing - I note that there appear to be no RSA players at the IWC for the first time ...
This may be due to factors other than FOG as there is a DBM tournament at the IWC.

There are no RSA players in that either - I did check before posting

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:50 am

nikgaukroger wrote:
lawrenceg wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:
However, I fear his current attitude may well lead to RSA being cut off from what the rest of the world is doing - I note that there appear to be no RSA players at the IWC for the first time ...
This may be due to factors other than FOG as there is a DBM tournament at the IWC.

There are no RSA players in that either - I did check before posting

I think that was Lawrence's point?

grahambriggs · Post by **grahambriggs** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:02 am

nikgaukroger wrote:
lawrenceg wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:
However, I fear his current attitude may well lead to RSA being cut off from what the rest of the world is doing - I note that there appear to be no RSA players at the IWC for the first time ...
This may be due to factors other than FOG as there is a DBM tournament at the IWC.

There are no RSA players in that either - I did check before posting

There were in Athens last year. I suspect the lack this year has more to do with the difficulty and cost of getting between South Africa and Australasia. South African IWCs have had poor attendance from Australasia after all.

lonehorseman · Post by **lonehorseman** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:32 pm

The main reason none are attending is the people who tried out for the team. 2 10th graders and one older wargamer who is , well lets say not the worlds best caretaker (for said kiddywinkles).

No Team = No RSA players due to the legislation. If we travel to represent RSA unofficially we can in fact get prosecuted, fined or jailed. Once you make a hobby a national 'Sport' it screws with things somewhat

will05 · Post by **will05** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:47 pm

lonehorseman wrote:
No Team = No RSA players due to the legislation. If we travel to represent RSA unofficially we can in fact get prosecuted, fined or jailed. Once you make a hobby a national 'Sport' it screws with things somewhat

What!!!!! Wargaming is a national sport there???

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:39 am

will05 wrote:
lonehorseman wrote:
No Team = No RSA players due to the legislation. If we travel to represent RSA unofficially we can in fact get prosecuted, fined or jailed. Once you make a hobby a national 'Sport' it screws with things somewhat
What!!!!! Wargaming is a national sport there???

Amazingly yes. And the rules boggle the mind of every other nation.

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:40 am

lonehorseman wrote:The main reason none are attending is the people who tried out for the team. 2 10th graders and one older wargamer who is , well lets say not the worlds best caretaker (for said kiddywinkles).

No Team = No RSA players due to the legislation. If we travel to represent RSA unofficially we can in fact get prosecuted, fined or jailed. Once you make a hobby a national 'Sport' it screws with things somewhat

Well 2 RSA people are now showing for DBM. As usual they havent had their lsits checked and didn't announce their armies until everyone else had theirs announced.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:01 am

hazelbark wrote:
Well 2 RSA people are now showing for DBM. As usual they havent had their lsits checked and didn't announce their armies until everyone else had theirs announced.

Their lists have been checked. However, the whole submitting the lists very late stinks - some have gone as far as to say it is cheating

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:43 am

Hopefully some Scandinavian boy will spank them. And not in a way they enjoy.

Strategos69 · Post by **Strategos69** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:26 am

hazelbark wrote:
will05 wrote:
lonehorseman wrote:
No Team = No RSA players due to the legislation. If we travel to represent RSA unofficially we can in fact get prosecuted, fined or jailed. Once you make a hobby a national 'Sport' it screws with things somewhat
What!!!!! Wargaming is a national sport there???
Amazingly yes. And the rules boggle the mind of every other nation.

I am still shocked by this!!!!

Do you have to wear also official shirts with the name and number? That would be funny to implement for all tournaments.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:32 am

Strategos69 wrote:
Do you have to wear also official shirts with the name and number? That would be funny to implement for all tournaments.

Actually there is quite a tradition of teams having "official" shirts for comps like the ITC, and the GB touring party to the IWF in foreign countries used to do an official shirt.

GKChesterton1976 · Post by **GKChesterton1976** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:58 am

nikgaukroger wrote:
hazelbark wrote:
Well 2 RSA people are now showing for DBM. As usual they havent had their lsits checked and didn't announce their armies until everyone else had theirs announced.

Their lists have been checked. However, the whole submitting the lists very late stinks - some have gone as far as to say it is cheating

It shouldn't matter what people say about it - but it is disappointing that the organisers have permitted it. If they want it to be a serious tournament they should refuse to accept entries on that basis.

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:16 pm

tamerlane wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:
hazelbark wrote:
Well 2 RSA people are now showing for DBM. As usual they havent had their lsits checked and didn't announce their armies until everyone else had theirs announced.

Their lists have been checked. However, the whole submitting the lists very late stinks - some have gone as far as to say it is cheating
It shouldn't matter what people say about it - but it is disappointing that the organisers have permitted it. If they want it to be a serious tournament they should refuse to accept entries on that basis.

What they could do is require the players who intend to go through the RSA selection procedure to submit army lists by the same deadline as everyone else. They don't need to check them until the actual team is selected. Bonus points for getting a list in on time would provide an additional incentive. As I understand it, the RSA national rules require players to use the same lists that they used in the selection trials, so they must have been fixed some time before the point at which they were submitted to IWF. Whether that was before the R&R were published this time I don't know. As it is, Army lists received after 1 December 2010 will be made available to other players prior to the commencement of the relevant tournament, so this should mitigate any advantage gained by the late submission.

Fluffy · Post by **Fluffy** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:41 pm

Strategos69 wrote:
hazelbark wrote:
will05 wrote: What!!!!! Wargaming is a national sport there???
Amazingly yes. And the rules boggle the mind of every other nation.
I am still shocked by this!!!!

Do you have to wear also official shirts with the name and number? That would be funny to implement for all tournaments.

Just to be clear, what lonehorseman means by National Sport is that wargaming receives recognition from our national sports committee,
so we can get some state funding and national colours.

No names, numbers or spectators.

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:00 pm

Strategos69 wrote: Do you have to wear also official shirts with the name and number?

Actually I do think they have a dress code of sorts while travelling to venue. Don't know if it law, regulation, or team spirit.