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Skirmish Army Lists

Post by AndrewGardner » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:21 pm

We are working on an addition to skirmish mode to allow selection from prebuilt armies as an alternative to randomised force composition.

If you are interested, please post some of your ideas in this thread for armies to include in the official list. Provide an army name, year(s) of service, and a list of units that make up the army. For each unit type, give a minimum and maximum quantity (to allow for partial force selection) to include in a medium sized force. You can get the full unit list by viewing Battle Academy 2 Early Access\Data\Squads.csv in a spreadsheet application.

Thank you for your input.

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by LandMarine47 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:11 pm

Can we also mention say, terrain? Such as

"Kampfgrupe 351 is attacked on Coastal Plains by a massive Soviet Tank force lead by new Models of T-34s"

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by AndrewGardner » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:38 pm

LandMarine47 wrote:Can we also mention say, terrain? Such as

"Kampfgrupe 351 is attacked on Coastal Plains by a massive Soviet Tank force lead by new Models of T-34s"
I am just looking for force lists players would like to see offered in the random map mode on this thread. BA2 will still include traditional campaigns of hand-built scenarios.

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by MartyWard » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:26 pm

Like a basic rifle battalion/company?

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by LandMarine47 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:38 pm

Well when I say Coastal Plain, one side of the map should be water, the rest randomized. Same goes if someone says Urban or Rural. This is one of the things I hope for in BA 2, something specific, yet random at the same time!

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by Tac2i » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:25 pm

Just to be sure, you plan to keep randomized force composition as well, correct?

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by AndrewGardner » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:50 pm

For example:

Panzerdivision 1941
- German Infantry (6 to 10)
- German Scout (2 to 4)
- German MG34 Machine Gun (1 to 2)
- Pz 38(t) E (2 to 4)
- Panzer IIIF (3 to 6)
- Panzer IV A (2 to 3)
- Panzerjager I (0 to 2)
- SdKfz 251 Halftrack (2 to 4)
- SdKfz 231 Scout Car (0 to 2)
- German 8cm Mortar (0 to 2)
- 50mm Pak38 (0 to 3)
- German Truck (0 to 6)

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by AndrewGardner » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:52 pm

Tac2i wrote:Just to be sure, you plan to keep randomized force composition as well, correct?
Yes.

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by Great_Ajax » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:54 pm

I can work a rather extensive list in a spreadsheet. What is your email address and I can send it you when I am done?

Trey

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by AndrewGardner » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:27 pm

Great_Ajax wrote:I can work a rather extensive list in a spreadsheet. What is your email address and I can send it you when I am done?

Trey
Thanks for the offer. We are really just aiming to have a handful of options for each side in the next EAP version and fine tune the feature from there. For now, it would be most helpful if you just posted rough compositions of your most-wanted forces.

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by LandMarine47 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:31 pm

Is there a limit?

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by Great_Ajax » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:26 am

Here is an example which includes both Waffen SS and Wehrmacht Panzer Divisions 1941-45. The month/year used would obviously cut down on this list.



Wehrmacht/Waffen SS Panzer Division

Unit Name Year Number

Panzer II 41-42 0 to 10
Pz38t 41-42 0 to 10
Panzer III 41 0 to 10
Panzer IIIM 42 0 to 5
Panzer IIIJ 41-43 0 to 10
Flammpanzer III 43-44 0 to 4
Panzer IVD 41 0 to 5
Panzer IVF1 (75mm Short) 42-43 0 to 5
Panzer IVF (75mm Long) 42-43 0 to 5
Panzer IVG 43-45 0 to 10
Panther 44-45 0 to to 10
Panther A 43-44 0 to 5
Tiger 42-45 0 to 4
King Tiger 44-45 0 to 2
StuG A 41-42 0
StuG IIIG 43-45 0 to 10
Waffen SS 41-45 0 to 6
German Paratrooper 41-45 0
German Infantry 41-45 0 to 6
Volksgrenadier 44-45 0
Ostruppen 42-45 0
German Engineer 41-45 0 to 6
German Flamethrower 41-45 0 to 2
Bradenburger 41-45 0 to 4
German MG34 41-45 0 to 6
German Para MG34 42-45 0
German MG42 42-45 0 to 2
German Para MG42 42-45 0
Panzerbusche AT Rifle 41-42 0 to 2
German Panzerschrek 44-45 0 to 2
German Mortar 41-45 0 to 2
German Para Mortar 41-45 0
German 120mm Mortar 42-45 0
German Scout 41-45 0 to 4
German Para Scout 41-45 0
German Sniper 41-45 0 to 1
German Truck 41-45 0 to 16
Sdkfz 251_2 Mortar 41-45 0 to 2
Sdkfz 251_16 Flame 43-45 0 to 2
Sdkfz 251_Halftrack 41-45 0 to 16
Sdkfz 251_75mm Pak 45 0 to 2
88mm 41-45 0 to 1
37mm AT Gun 41 0 to 2
37mm Stielgranate AT Gun 41 0
50mm Pak 38 42-43 0 to 2
75mm Pak40 42-45 0 to 2
8-Rad Armored Car 41-44 0 to 4
Puma Armored Car 44-45 0 to 4
Sdkfz 234_1 Armored Car 44-45 0 to 4
Marder III 42-44 0 to 2
Panzerjager I 41-42 0 to 2
Hetzer 44-45 0 to 4
Jagdpanther 45 0 to 2
Jagdpanzer IV 44-45 0 to 4
Wespe 43-45 0 to 4
Wirblewind 44-45 0 to 4
Sdkfz 10/4 41-45 0 to 4
Hummel 43-45 0 to 4
Panzerwerfer 42 43-45 0 to 4
Stuka zu FuB 41-45 0 to 2
15cm Artillery 41-45 0 to 4

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by Great_Ajax » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:33 am

Wehrmacht/Waffen SS Motorized & Panzergrenadier Division

Unit Name Year Number

Panzer II 41-42 0 to 2
Pz38t 41-42 0
Panzer III 41 0 to 4
Panzer IIIM 42 0 to 2
Panzer IIIJ 41-43 0 to 4
Flammpanzer III 43-44 0 to 2
Panzer IVD 41 0 to 2
Panzer IVF1 (75mm Short) 42-43 0 to 2
Panzer IVF (75mm Long) 42-43 0 to 2
Panzer IVG 43-45 0 to 4
Panther 44-45 0 to 4
Panther A 43-44 0
Tiger 43-45 0 to 2
King Tiger 44-45 0 to 1
StuG A 41-42 0 to 5
StuG IIIG 43-45 0 to 4
Waffen SS 41-45 0 to 18
German Paratrooper 41-45 0
German Infantry 41-45 0 to 18
Volksgrenadier 44-45 0
Ostruppen 42-45 0
German Engineer 41-45 0 to 18
German Flamethrower 41-45 0 to 4
Bradenburger 41-45 0 to 4
German MG34 41-45 0 to 18
German Para MG34 42-45 0
German MG42 42-45 0 to 4
German Para MG42 42-45 0
Panzerbusche AT Rifle 41-42 0 to 4
German Panzerschrek 44-45 0 to 6
German Mortar 41-45 0 to 4
German Para Mortar 41-45 0
German 120mm Mortar 42-45 0
German Scout 41-45 0 to 4
German Para Scout 41-45 0
German Sniper 41-45 0 to 2
German Truck 41-45 0 to 24
Sdkfz 251_2 Mortar 41-45 0 to 4
Sdkfz 251_16 Flame 43-45 0 to 4
Sdkfz 251_Halftrack 41-45 0 to 24
Sdkfz 251_75mm Pak 45 0 to 4
88mm 41-45 0 to 2
37mm AT Gun 41 0 to 4
37mm Stielgranate AT Gun 41 0
50mm Pak 38 42-43 0 to 4
75mm Pak40 42-45 0 to 4
8-Rad Armored Car 41-44 0 to 4
Puma Armored Car 44-45 0 to 4
Sdkfz 234_1 Armored Car 44-45 0 to 4
Marder III 42-44 0 to 5
Panzerjager I 41-42 0 to 5
Hetzer 44-45 0 to 4
Jagdpanther 45 0 to 2
Jagdpanzer IV 44-45 0 to 4
Wespe 43-45 0 to 4
Wirblewind 44-45 0 to 4
Sdkfz 10/4 41-45 0 to 4
Hummel 43-45 0 to 4
Panzerwerfer 42 43-45 0 to 4
Stuka zu FuB 41-45 0 to 2
15cm Artillery 41-45 0 to 4

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by Great_Ajax » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:34 am

Wehrmacht/Waffen SS/Fallschirmjager Infantry Division

Unit Name Year Number

Panzer II 41-42 0
Pz38t 41-42 0
Panzer III 41 0 to 4
Panzer IIIM 42 0
Panzer IIIJ 41-43 0 to 4
Flammpanzer III 43-44 0
Panzer IVD 41 0 to 2
Panzer IVF1 (75mm Short) 42-43 0 to 2
Panzer IVF (75mm Long) 42-43 0 to 2
Panzer IVG 43-45 0 to 4
Panther 44-45 0 to 4
Panther A 43-44 0
Tiger 43-45 0 to 2
King Tiger 44-45 0 to 1
StuG A 41-42 0 to 5
StuG IIIG 43-45 0 to 5
Waffen SS 41-45 0 to 18
German Paratrooper 41-45 0 to 18
German Infantry 41-45 0 to 18
Volksgrenadier 44-45 0 to 18
Ostruppen 42-45 0 to 18
German Engineer 41-45 0 to 18
German Flamethrower 41-45 0 to 4
Bradenburger 41-45 0 to 4
German MG34 41-45 0 to 18
German Para MG34 42-45 0 to 18
German MG42 42-45 0 to 6
German Para MG42 42-45 0 to 6
Panzerbusche AT Rifle 41-42 0 to 6
German Panzerschrek 44-45 0 to 6
German Mortar 41-45 0 to 4
German Para Mortar 41-45 0 to 4
German 120mm Mortar 42-45 0 to 4
German Scout 41-45 0 to 4
German Para Scout 41-45 0 to 4
German Sniper 41-45 0 to 4
German Truck 41-45 0 to 6
Sdkfz 251_2 Mortar 41-45 0
Sdkfz 251_16 Flame 43-45 0
Sdkfz 251_Halftrack 41-45 0
Sdkfz 251_75mm Pak 45 0
88mm 41-45 0 to 2
37mm AT Gun 41 0 to 6
37mm Stielgranate AT Gun 41 0 to 6
50mm Pak 38 42-43 0 to 6
75mm Pak40 42-45 0 to 6
8-Rad Armored Car 41-44 0 to 2
Puma Armored Car 44-45 0
Sdkfz 234_1 Armored Car 44-45 0
Marder III 42-44 0 to 4
Panzerjager I 41-42 0 to 4
Hetzer 44-45 0 to 4
Jagdpanther 45 0 to 2
Jagdpanzer IV 44-45 0 to 4
Wespe 43-45 0
Wirblewind 44-45 0
Sdkfz 10/4 41-45 0 to 4
Hummel 43-45 0
Panzerwerfer 42 43-45 0
Stuka zu FuB 41-45 0
15cm Artillery 41-45 0 to 4

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by rf900 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:19 am

Would it be to hard to create a force selection screen that would let you save the selection in a file so that it can be reused in skirmishes or shared with other people. I like the random forces that are currently available, but having the option to create your own forces and save them for later use can be interesting. The predefined lists are also nice from a realistic point of view, but for skirmishes I prefer variety rather than realism.

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by Great_Ajax » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:53 am

Russian Rifle Division

Unit Name Year Number

Soviet Rifle 41-45 0 to 18
Soviet SMG 41-45 0 to 18
Soviet LMG 41-45 0 to 24
Soviet Sniper 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet Militia 41-45 0 to 18
Soviet Flame 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet Maxim 41-45 0 to 12
Soviet DSHK 41-45 0 to 3
Soviet Militia Molotov 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet AT Rifle 41-45 0 to 8
Soviet Flame Assault 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet Assault SMG 41-45 0 to 18
Soviet 82mm Mortar 41-45 0 to 8
Soviet 120mm Mortar 41-45 0 to 4
Soviet Scout 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet Sapper 41-45 0 to 18
T-26 41-43 0
T-28 41 0
T-60 41-42 0 to 3
T-70 43-45 0 to 3
BT-7 41-42 0 to 4
BT-7A 41-42 0
T-34 41-42 0 to 3
T-34 1943 43 0 to 6
T-34 1944 44 0 to 6
KV-1 41 41 0 to 1
KV-1 42 42 0 to 1
KV-2 41 0 to 1
IS-2 44-45 0 to 1
Sherman LL 42-45 0
Matilda LL 41-45 0
45mm AT Gun 41 to 43 0 to 8
57mm AT Gun 41 to 45 0 to 3
Zis3 76mm 42-45 0 to 12
BA 64 42-45 0 to 2
BA 10 41-45 0
Gaz Truck Maxim 41-45 0 to 3
OT-34 42-45 0
M3 Halftrack LL 41-45 0
SU-76 42-45 0 to 6
SU-85 43-45 0 to 3
SU-122 42-45 0 to 2
SU-152 43-45 0 to 2
YAG 10 AA 41-45 0 to 2
Zis30 41 to 42 0
GAZ Truck 41-45 0 to 8
Bren Carrier LL 41-45 0
Zis42 37mm 41-45 0
KHTZ 16 41-42 0

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by Great_Ajax » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:54 am

Russian Motorized Division/ Mechanized Corps

Unit Name Year Number

Soviet Rifle 41-45 0 to 18
Soviet SMG 41-45 0 to 18
Soviet LMG 41-45 0 to 9
Soviet Sniper 41-45 0
Soviet Militia 41-45 0
Soviet Flame 41-45 0 to 2
Soviet Maxim 41-45 0 to 12
Soviet DSHK 41-45 0 to 3
Soviet Militia Molotov 41-45 0
Soviet AT Rifle 41-45 0 to 18
Soviet Flame Assault 41-45 0 to 4
Soviet Assault SMG 41-45 0 to 18
Soviet 82mm Mortar 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet 120mm Mortar 41-45 0 to 4
Soviet Scout 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet Sapper 41-45 0 to 6
T-26 41-43 0 to 6
T-28 41 0
T-60 41-42 0
T-70 43-45 0 to 3
BT-7 41-42 0 to 6
BT-7A 41-42 0 to 2
T-34 41-42 0 to 3
T-34 1943 43 0 to 10
T-34 1944 44 0 to 10
KV-1 41 41 0 to 2
KV-1 42 42 0 to 2
KV-2 41 0 to 1
IS-2 44-45 0 to 2
Sherman LL 42-45 0
Matilda LL 41-45 0
45mm AT Gun 41 to 43 0 to 4
57mm AT Gun 41 to 45 0
Zis3 76mm 42-45 0 to 12
BA 64 42-45 0 to 3
BA 10 41-45 0 to 3
Gaz Truck Maxim 41-45 0 to 3
OT-34 42-45 0 to 3
M3 Halftrack LL 41-45 0 to 6
SU-76 42-45 0 to 3
SU-85 43-45 0 to 3
SU-122 42-45 0 to 3
SU-152 43-45 0 to 3
YAG 10 AA 41-45 0 to 4
Zis30 41 to 42 0
GAZ Truck 41-45 0 to 32
Bren Carrier LL 41-45 0
Zis42 37mm 41-45 0 to 4
KHTZ 16 41-42 0

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by Great_Ajax » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:55 am

Russian Tank Division/Tank Corps

Unit Name Year Number

Soviet Rifle 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet SMG 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet LMG 41-45 0 to 4
Soviet Sniper 41-45 0
Soviet Militia 41-45 0
Soviet Flame 41-45 0
Soviet Maxim 41-45 0 to 2
Soviet DSHK 41-45 0
Soviet Militia Molotov 41-45 0
Soviet AT Rifle 41-45 0
Soviet Flame Assault 41-45 0
Soviet Assault SMG 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet 82mm Mortar 41-45 0 to 2
Soviet 120mm Mortar 41-45 0 to 2
Soviet Scout 41-45 0 to 6
Soviet Sapper 41-45 0 to 6
T-26 41-43 0 to 20
T-28 41 0
T-60 41-42 0 to 10
T-70 43-45 0 to 10
BT-7 41-42 0 to 6
BT-7A 41-42 0 to 4
T-34 41-42 0 to 10
T-34 1943 43 0 to 20
T-34 1944 44 0 to 20
KV-1 41 41 0 to 4
KV-1 42 42 0 to 3
KV-2 41 0 to 2
IS-2 44-45 0 to 3
Sherman LL 42-45 0 to 20
Matilda LL 41-45 0 to 20
45mm AT Gun 41 to 43 0 to 2
57mm AT Gun 41 to 45 0
Zis3 76mm 42-45 0 to 4
BA 64 42-45 0 to 6
BA 10 41-45 0 to 6
Gaz Truck Maxim 41-45 0 to 3
OT-34 42-45 0 to 3
M3 Halftrack LL 41-45 0 to 10
SU-76 42-45 0 to 3
SU-85 43-45 0 to 3
SU-122 42-45 0 to 3
SU-152 43-45 0 to 3
YAG 10 AA 41-45 0 to 4
Zis30 41 to 42 0
GAZ Truck 41-45 0 to 16
Bren Carrier LL 41-45 0 to 10
Zis42 37mm 41-45 0 to 4
KHTZ 16 41-42 0

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by Great_Ajax » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:43 pm

I can break these lists down into year and by type if that would be helpful to narrow the unit list down.

Trey

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Re: Skirmish Army Lists

Post by AndrewGardner » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:44 pm

Great_Ajax wrote:I can break these lists down into year and by type if that would be helpful to narrow the unit list down.

Trey
I'm not sure that I understand how your lists are meant to translate to a force in a BA2 scenario. Even after filtering by year, the quantity of units available appears like it would be well beyond the scale and capabilities of the game.

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