Why am I seeing same dice rolls each time?

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Tridenz0
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Why am I seeing same dice rolls each time?

Post by Tridenz0 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:08 pm

I'm seeing something unusual, but I'm new to the game so perhaps I don't understand. I'm playing the 3rd mission of the Gilrond campaign. I moved a Scout into the forest, thinking he would be invisible, but he's ganged up on by 4 lesser demons. Here's the interesting part: they get 8 basic attacks. The first 7 always miss, the 8th always hits...with the same dice rolls! I had saved before I finished my turn, so I've been able to reload and replay their turn. Same results, with same rolls, every time. 7 misses, killed on the 8th. Can this be right? Aren't these dice rolls supposed to be random? I have both the save file available, as well as screen shots with the repeated dice rolls, if they're helpful. Thanks.

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Re: Why am I seeing same dice rolls each time?

Post by pipfromslitherine » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:13 pm

The random game saves the seed used for the random numbers so you would indeed expect to see the same results if nothing else happens before it after the save.

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Tridenz0
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Re: Why am I seeing same dice rolls each time?

Post by Tridenz0 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:47 pm

Thanks for the reply. I read in a post that with Buzz Aldrin you can change the seed in the save file with a text editor:

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<SPMRandom RandomSeed="429" RandomUsageCounter="4908" />

Change the attributes to different values and try again, you'll certainly get a different output.

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Is this possible with Hell? What help me practice strategies / try different things as I'm learning. Thanks.

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Re: Why am I seeing same dice rolls each time?

Post by gerbercage » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:46 am

So when save the game, it also save it random which become more like "fix"?
I though everytime when you attack or use skill, it only start to roll with "random"?
Is this suppose to prevent people from keep save/load so that you can get a better result? I know some ppl that playing turn base game which got miss hit and random dmg number will like to keep save/load so that they can get a better result in game with this "luck"

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Re: Why am I seeing same dice rolls each time?

Post by Igorputski » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:52 pm

gerbercage wrote:So when save the game, it also save it random which become more like "fix"?
I though everytime when you attack or use skill, it only start to roll with "random"?
Is this suppose to prevent people from keep save/load so that you can get a better result? I know some ppl that playing turn base game which got miss hit and random dmg number will like to keep save/load so that they can get a better result in game with this "luck"
Yes, this is to help prevent cheaters from cheating in both the solo game and pbem. I like it. Should be in all games. There should be no way to edit save game files either.

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Re: Why am I seeing same dice rolls each time?

Post by IainMcNeil » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:29 pm

Space Program Manager is a different developer and different engine so works in a completely different way so you cant change the random numbers. This is partly related to multi-player and to prevent cheating :) .

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Re: Why am I seeing same dice rolls each time?

Post by Tridenz0 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:26 pm

Ah, that makes sense. Didn't think about the multiplayer cheating issue. Thanks!

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