The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

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The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by ahuyton » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:26 pm

Here are the details:

English 1558 -1583 v Scottish 1560-68 (from Tercio to Salvo)
Open Battle, Agricultural terrain, wide, large armies

And the match-ups:

Kiwiwarlord (w) v Doyley50
Snugglebunnies (w) v Kerry D
smjohnso77 (w) v ahuyton
Lascar (w) v Warrior230
snooky51 v Gribol
PeterthePainter v Awesum4 (w)
Fybyyn v Gdod

If anyine has any general tactical hints I am sure that will be welcome.

English players - please set up the games and inform your opponents of the password, either here on the forum or by pm.

Match winners - please do me a small favour and indicate here on the forum who has win (I cannot always tell from the more colourful reports) and feel free to write up you heroics. Match losers, equally, you are welcome to report the bad luck you suffered and other comments of course.
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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by GDod » Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:17 pm

Now that the borderlands are secure for Harry... release the hounds, we have sport in the north...Edinburgh or bust!

Game up fybyyn password gdod
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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by GDod » Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:40 am

English 1558 -1583 v Scottish 1560-68
Open Battle, Agricultural terrain, wide, large armies
Cheap heavy (unarmoured) pike en masse, highlanders and heavy guns against large over-priced Elizabethan blocks of rubbish and cavalry who've got an identity crisis. This is because the cavalry can't decide whether they're supposed to be skirmishers, charging lancers, or knights who've got incompetent squires that leave most of the amour at the manor-house (or is it a castle?)

All I can say is
- either take maximum rubbish and fight in the rough or forest (I'll take my chances against the highlanders and hope they can't get enough casualties to frag my poor confused Englishmen.)
- or lots of light cavalry to run around like mad march-hares!

Either way, divine intervention is needed! Onward...
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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by warrior230 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:52 am

Hi all,
I notice that Alan's instruction is to use armies from Tercio to Salvo, but I see matches being set up using Extra Nations V3.......
Which module is correct? or doesn't it matter?

To Lascar......I'll issue the challenge as soon as anyone offers confirmation.

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by GDod » Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:01 am

warrior230 wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:52 am
Hi all,
I notice that Alan's instruction is to use armies from Tercio to Salvo, but I see matches being set up using Extra Nations V3.......
Which module is correct? or doesn't it matter?

To Lascar......I'll issue the challenge as soon as anyone offers confirmation.
Doesn't matter. The lists are the same under either module.

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by warrior230 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:13 am

Thanks Gavin,
Nice post above by the way..... we shall go forth and....do our best!

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by GDod » Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:00 am

Good luck Paul. You will undoubtedly be Revere(d) on the successful conclusion of this feat of arms. Yet, I shiver at the thought of hearing the refrain "...the Scottish are coming, the Scottish are coming..."
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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by ahuyton » Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:03 am

As it seems there are some small differences between the army lists for Extra Nations and those for Tercio to Salvo, please use the latter for your game. If a game is already well underway using Extra Nations I leave it to your common sense and preference as to whether to continue or restart. Please let me know in case of difficulties or disagreement.

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by KiwiWarlord » Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:10 am

ahuyton wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:03 am
As it seems there are some small differences between the army lists for Extra Nations and those for Tercio to Salvo, please use the latter for your game. If a game is already well underway using Extra Nations I leave it to your common sense and preference as to whether to continue or restart. Please let me know in case of difficulties or disagreement.
I just spotted it Alan and will ask Doyley to restart our game as he set it up using Extra Nations V3.
The Scots have more options under Tercio to Salvo

Please, all players use Tercio to Salvo.
Brian the Bruce

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by KiwiWarlord » Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:11 am

GDod wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:01 am
Doesn't matter. The lists are the same under either module.
They are not Gavin.

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by GDod » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:11 am

Sorry Paul, put you crook. Clearly, Englishmen can't count past two. I didn't pick up the 2 border lancers instead of the 5 available in the tercio/salvo... I better reissue my challenge as well.
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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by warrior230 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:12 pm

Ok....I'll set up our game again and pm Lascar.
Best to keep everyone singing from the same hymn sheet as it were.....

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by GDod » Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:18 pm

The English have taken to a field devoid of terrain...gulp (our scouts have been given a very stern look and made to sit on their horses in the naughty corner!)

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by gribol » Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 am

Game for Snooky51 is ready.

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by awesum4 » Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:38 am

Its time for me as commander of His Royal Majesty's loyal forces to give instructions to our gallant commanders in this great endeavour...so here goes.

Good luck and get stuck in.

The Scottish have a very effective army of huge blocks of average pike, with hordes of Highlanders who are possibly the best rough terrrain troops around. They also have quite a few border raider light horse (my favourite troop type) and a few not overly impressive cavalry to slow us down.

We have equally large blocks of foot who can't decide if they are oldfashioned bill and bowmen, or modern pike and arqubeus. Fortunately they are better than the bill and bow from 2 rounds previous as they are actually kiels and can't be flank charged. However at least half of ours are raw and therefore basically shite. For rough terrain troops we have a few bowmen and light arquebus neither of whom will handle the highlanders. We have more and better cavalry but our light horse will struggle against the border raiders.

So my advice is try to avoid rough terrain, attack one end of his army and try to get your cavalry into the rear of his pike, and remember one very important fact...God is an Englishman.

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by GDod » Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:05 pm

awesum4 wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:38 am


So my advice is try to avoid rough terrain
Mission accomplished... so, now can we go back to England?

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by PeterThePainter » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:32 pm

awesum4 wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:38 am
and remember one very important fact...God is an Englishman.
Sorry that is not a fact it is fiction.... by R F Delderfield (and set in the 19th Century not the 16th).

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by GDod » Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:00 am

PeterThePainter wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:32 pm
Sorry that is not a fact it is fiction.... by R F Delderfield (and set in the 19th Century not the 16th).
Then maybe this one will suffice gentlemen
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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by PeterThePainter » Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:05 am

GDod wrote:
Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:00 am

Then maybe this one will suffice gentlemen
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A man with a head on his shoulders in England, now he would be a God! Sorry I have to rush off to join a queue buy petrol now.

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Re: The eternal battle - English v Scottish - Round Three, the 16th Century

Post by KiwiWarlord » Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:24 am

PeterThePainter wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:32 pm
awesum4 wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:38 am
and remember one very important fact...God is an Englishman.
Sorry that is not a fact it is fiction.... by R F Delderfield (and set in the 19th Century not the 16th).
Yes,total fiction !
Read Chapter 1, page 9, " The one true God is a Scot within the Stone of Scone "

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