2018 Tournament

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SnuggleBunnies
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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by SnuggleBunnies » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:53 am

SnuggleBunnies (Royalist 1642) defeats Pixel (Parliament 1642) 16-41

So,

SnuggleBunnies: 8
Pixel: 1

The numbers don't capture just how close my infantry center was to total collapse. With most of my Pike and Shot units having only 50% Muskets, I had hurled them forward into hand to hand combat as rapidly as possible. That came at a cost, both in marching through fire, and hitting the +50 defensive POA of Pixel's attached light guns. Nevertheless, the Cavaliers swept away both flanks for the victory.

GG

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by pantherboy » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:35 pm

pantherboy (Royalist 1645-1648) beat Aryaman (New Model Army 1645) by 40% to 8% (9pts - 0pts).

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by GDod » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:49 pm

GDod's New model Army 1645 defeats TGM's 1645 Royalists 62/44

In another slug-fest of epic grandeur amidst the rollicking, rolling green hills of merry ole' England, now coloured red with the glossy translucent stain of the combatants sweated brow.

Oh! the calamity of brothers in arms ag'in each other and the littered remains of cared for homes and farms from centuries of toil...woe betide these rebel dreams of equality and fraternity lest the take root in the European soils of our sons and sons of sons...yet, woken from the General's slumber a premonition... of Frenchmen around a large meat cleaver has spilled out from these lucid dreams... Oh woe!

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by awesum4 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:09 am

Section 7 is now complete;

………………………………………...Dobri-i……...Snugglebunnies……..Pixel

Dobri-i………………………………...0...………………...7...…………………..0

Dobri-i………………………………...0...………………...0...…………………..3

Snugglebunnies…………………...4...………………...0...…………………..0

Snugglebunnies…………………….0...………………...0...…………………..1

Pixel...……………………………….10...………………..10...………………...0

Pixel...………………………………..8...………………….8...…………………..0

Total...……………………………..22...………………..25...…………………..4


Snugglebunnies advances to Section 11


Dobri-i advances to section 12

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by edb1815 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:44 pm

edb1815 Parliament 1643 and Aryaman Royalist 1643 fought to a standstill as both sides broke off. 62% v 60%


I believe this is a mutual break, in other words both armies hit 60% on the same turn. We got the break off message at the end of the turn with several turns left in the game. Even though my end screen said "glorious victory" this should be a draw as both armies broke. That's the way table top games handle it anyway.


After playing all the ECW games I would recommend not using large armies in future tournaments. The armies are too large for the map given the low points costs. One can almost strech a single line across the whole map and easily block flanking cavalry attacks and limiting maneuver. This sometimes occurs with miniatures games and certain armies are at a disadvantage. It can lead to ahistorical tactics and battles that don't resemble Edgehill, Nasby or Marston Moor for example.

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by SnuggleBunnies » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:49 pm

I also agree that Large is not ideal. I usually play Medium, and, while that has occasional edge riding, it's not nearly as frequent. I suppose we could play with Medium armies on Large maps, but that seems unnecessary.

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by Aryaman » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:22 am

Aryaman (Parliament 1643) beats Pantherboy 44%-0%
10 pts -0 pts

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by awesum4 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:40 am

Ebb1815 and Aryaman both broke the enemy army simultaneously, so both score 6 points.

So section 10 results are;


......................Aryaman...............Edb1815..............Pantherboy


Aryaman................0.........................0.......................9


Aryaman...………………..0...………………………….6...………………………..0


Edb1815...………………..10...……………………….0...……………………….10


Edb1815...………………..6...………………………...0...………………………..9


Pantherboy………………..0...………………………...0...……………………….0


Pantherboy………………..10...……………………...1...………………………..0


Totals...…………………….26...………………………..7...……………………...28


So Pantherboy advances to section 12 where he will play Dobri-i and YoungR


Aryaman advances to section 13


We await the results of the remaining 2 games in section 9 so we can play round 3.

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by awesum4 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:28 am

I am happy to change to medium armies. I prefer large armies, but its not a big deal.

Medium armies won't make the games quicker as they are based on % lost. Individual moves will be slightly quicker but battles will probably last the same number of turns as you have more units trying to break more units to get the same %.

The battles we fight here don't resemble actual ECW battles not because of the battlefield size but because of the way players use their armies. We mostly spread our armies out in a single line. ECW units were always deployed in 2 or 3 lines. At Edgehill the Royalists were outnumbered but instead of extending their line they deployed 2 lines deep and charged. At Marston Moor the Royalist infantry were in 2 lines, with 2 lines of cavalry behind them and the cavalry were in 2 lines, while the parliamentarians had both their foot and cavalry in 3 lines. At Naseby the vastly outnumbered Royalists still deployed in 2 lines rather than extend their line to try to stop the enemy outflanking them. Large bodies of cavalry being sent on outflanking manoeuvres didn't really happen, well not in the 3 battles mentioned


So if anyone who hasn't already expressed a wish for medium battles would like to do so, and anyone who wishes to stick with large armies would also express their wish I will gauge if there is really a groundswell for change before we start round 3.

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by Aryaman » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:21 pm

I would like medium armies just because it takes less time to finish a turn, no other reason

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by edb1815 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:38 pm

awesum4 wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:28 am
I am happy to change to medium armies. I prefer large armies, but its not a big deal.

Medium armies won't make the games quicker as they are based on % lost. Individual moves will be slightly quicker but battles will probably last the same number of turns as you have more units trying to break more units to get the same %.

The battles we fight here don't resemble actual ECW battles not because of the battlefield size but because of the way players use their armies. We mostly spread our armies out in a single line. ECW units were always deployed in 2 or 3 lines. At Edgehill the Royalists were outnumbered but instead of extending their line they deployed 2 lines deep and charged. At Marston Moor the Royalist infantry were in 2 lines, with 2 lines of cavalry behind them and the cavalry were in 2 lines, while the parliamentarians had both their foot and cavalry in 3 lines. At Naseby the vastly outnumbered Royalists still deployed in 2 lines rather than extend their line to try to stop the enemy outflanking them. Large bodies of cavalry being sent on outflanking manoeuvres didn't really happen, well not in the 3 battles mentioned


So if anyone who hasn't already expressed a wish for medium battles would like to do so, and anyone who wishes to stick with large armies would also express their wish I will gauge if there is really a groundswell for change before we start round 3.
Exactly and I was trying to replicate the multiple line approach without much success :cry: But I think the tendency to spread out in a single line may be influence by the size of the map compared to the number of units, meaning that you can effectively anchor at least one flank on the artificial map edge with large armies.

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by Dilly » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:12 pm

Dilly defeats Greymouser 46% to 66%

Greymouser defeats Dilly 32% to 60%

Sorry the games took so long

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by awesum4 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:05 am

Section 9 has now finished;

………………………...TheGrayMouser……...GDods………...Dilly

TheGrayMouser…………..0...…………………..9...…………….8


TheGrayMouser…………...0...………………….7...…………….3


GDods…………………………...3...………………...0...…………….8


GDods…………………………..4...…………………...0...…………..5


Dilly...………………………….4...………………….2...……………...0


Dilly...…………………………..8...………………….6...……………..0


Totals...……………………….19...………………...24...…………..24


So GDods advances to section 13 to play Aryaman and Ahuyton


Dilly advances to section 11 to play SnyggleBunnies and Awesum4


TheGrayMouser would have been eliminated but Dobri-i has withdrawn from the tournament and as TheGrayMouser gained the highest scores of those eliminated this round he will replace Dobri-i in section 12 where he will play Pantherboy and YoungR

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by awesum4 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:48 am

So for round 3 the sections are;

11a/ SnuggleBunnies
11b/ awesum4
11c/ Dilly

12a/ The GrayMouser
12b/ Pantherboy
12c/ YoungR

13a/ GDods
13b/ Aryaman
13c/ Ahuyton

This round is highly Polished battles, note these are medium sized armies using agricultural terrain

using Extra Nations V3 to pit Polish 1494-1524 against Teutonics 1494-1542,

and Tercio to Salvo to pit Polish 1633-1648 against Russian 1630- 1648


Player a sets up a game with player b using early Poles against Teutonics, and a game with player c using Russians against later Poles

Player b sets up a game with player a using Russians against later Poles, and a game with player c using Teutonics against early Poles


Player c sets up a agme with player a using Teutonics against early Poles, and a game with player b using Russians against later Poles

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by Aryaman » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:51 am

What is Extra Nations V3, is that a mod?

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by Pixel » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:24 pm

Good luck to everyone who made it through to round 3! :mrgreen:
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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by edb1815 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:56 pm

Yes Good luck to everyone in the next round!

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by awesum4 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:00 pm

Aryaman,

Yes extra nations is a mod, its gives heaps of different armies that don't appear in the other campaign periods.
It's been ages since I downloaded it, but I think you go into the campaigns menu then click on the download community scenarios. Make sure you download version 3

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by GDod » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:39 pm

13a/ GDod challenges 13b/ Aryaman [Extra Nations V3] Polish 1494-1524 against Teutonics 1494-1542
13a/ GDod challenges 13c/ Ahuyton [Tercio to Salvo] Polish 1633-1648 against Russian 1630- 1648


Medium sized armies using agricultural terrain

The games afoot Sherlock!....Password for both "getinbehind"

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Re: 2018 Tournament

Post by SnuggleBunnies » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:44 pm

Challenges posted to awesum4 and Dilly, pw snuggles

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