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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by bru888 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:38 pm

Free France 1940-1945 v0.55 has been uploaded.

Free France 1940-1945 (twenty scenarios)

This version includes these changes to the campaign:
• Added campaign variable pins for air and land experience to the campaign maps for Strasbourg and Operation Nordwind.
• After Operation Nordwind, added a campaign message that describes Operation Bodenplatte (which I forgot in the scenario but actually is better here).
• Added a campaign message that wraps up Operation Nordwind and carries Patch's 7th Army and de Lattre's First Army into February 1945.
• Moved the Jeannette Guyot message to third in the sequence.
• Added a campaign message that segues to the next scenario, Indochina.

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:33 am

The Goumiers were excellent soldiers or, rather, excellent fighters. What may have hindered them were some of their non-combat actions...
uzbek2012 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:48 pm
[...] so without them you would not have won in the end [...]
To be seen, my friend, there were many other excellent soldiers in the ranks. For example, the various troops of Tunisian, Algerian or Moroccan riflemen who made up many of the first regiments of Free France were also excellent soldiers, capable of evolving with a certain ease in unlikely terrains...

Without the Goumiers, no victory? This is probably an exaggeration, even if the Goumiers did contribute greatly to opening up fronts, which the "regular" Free French troops were then able to exploit, before the entire Allied armies could in turn exploit the opening made.

I think simply that without the Goumier they would not have won as quickly in the end. :wink:

If the French had not been so efficient, the Allied corps engaged at their side would also have progressed less rapidly (as in Italy, for example). This would have put less pressure on the Germans, who could have sent more troops against the Russians to slow them down or even push them back... Everything could have been different. In the end, after a while, the German fall was inevitable. The question was when it would happen. 8)

From here: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goumiers_marocains
"The 2nd Moroccan Tabor Group (2nd GTM - the equivalent of 3 battalions!) is, after the 2nd Parachute Hunter Regiment, one of the six most decorated infantry units of World War II along with the 3rd Algerian Rifle Regiment, the 4th Tunisian Rifle Regiment, the Chad March Regiment, the 13th Foreign Legion Half-Brigade, and the Marine and Pacific Infantry Battalion (BIMP)." :arrow: See, it's varied... :D

Oh, and by the way ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Parac ... r_Regiment ):
"The 2nd Parachute Chasseur Regiment (French: 2e Régiment de Chasseurs Parachutistes) or 2e RCP, is one of the most decorated French units of the Second World War, the only land unit awarded the red fourragère in that war, including six citations at the orders of the armed forces. [...] The unit was commonly referred to in the British Armed Forces as the 4th SAS." These guys have participated in Brittany as well.. :wink:

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:47 am

uzbek2012 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:48 pm
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What, also a doubt with regard to the Americans? :shock: :lol:

But this version :!: completely forgets the presence of the British...

:arrow: The version I have available indicates that it should originally have been signed, on the Allied side, by (only) a Russian and a British representative. :? Whereupon, as a matter of national prestige, a French representative was sent urgently to sign as well... :shock: On learning of this, an American representative was also sent in extreme urgency to participate as well. :lol:

In this context, a reflection of the type, "what, an American and a Frenchman too!?" is perfectly logical. 8) On the other hand, the British should not be forgotten. :evil:
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:arrow: May 8, 1945: (and these are matter for :idea: some of the very last events of this campaign, I think!)

Admiral Karl Dönitz capitulates. The Final Act of Surrender was signed in Berlin by General Stumpff, Admiral von Friedeburg and Marshal Keitel in the presence of Marshal Zhukov (USSR), General Spaatz (USA), General Tedder (UK) and General de Lattre de Tassigny (France). The ceasefire on the European front came into effect at 23:01 (CET). This signature marks the official end of the Second World War in Europe.

Thus, as de Gaulle wrote: "At the final act of the German capitulation, the representative of France was a signatory, as were those of Russia, the United States and Great Britain. The Field Marshal Keitel, shouting: "What? The French too!" underlines the tour de force that leads, for France and for its army, to such a recovery."
:idea: As illustration? Well, that shall do it nicely:
https://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=htt ... egUIARDKAQ

At three o'clock in the afternoon of that day, May 8, de Gaulle announced on the radio: "The war is won! Here is the Victory! It is the victory of the united nations and it is the victory of France!..."

:idea: General Leclerc was appointed superior commander of French troops in the Far East. So much so that it was General Leclerc who, on September 1, 1945, aboard the battleship U.S.S. Missouri in Tokyo Bay, represented France when he signed the act of surrender of Japan: :D
https://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=htt ... egUIARClAQ

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:57 am

8) Okay, this small issue comes certainly from the fact that it's talking about what happened on the 7th Mai 1945 (and not on the 8th) - a well-understandable confusion, look:

"The unconditional surrender of the German armed forces was signed by Jodl, on behalf of the OKW. Walter Bedell Smith signed on behalf of the Supreme Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force and General Ivan Susloparov on behalf of the Soviet High Command. French Major-General François Sevez signed as the official witness." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_In ... _Surrender )

A translation from the French wiki "equivalent" webpage: ( https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actes_de_ ... A8me_Reich )

"The German delegation was composed of Generaloberst Alfred Jodl, Generaladmiral von Friedeburg and Major Wilhelm Oxenius. On May 7, 1945, at 2:41 a.m., in a room of the "Technical and Modern College" in Rheims (now the Museum of the Surrender), which was then occupied by General Eisenhower's staff, the unconditional surrender of the German armed forces was signed by Alfred Jodl, in the name of the High Command of the Armed Forces (in German: Oberkommando der Wehrmacht), and as the representative of the new Reichspräsident, Hitler's successor, Großadmiral Karl Dönitz.

The document, written in four languages, was signed for SHAEF by General Walter B. Smith, General Eisenhower's Chief of Staff, who signed on behalf of the Western Allies, and by General Ivan Sousloparov, the sole representative of the Soviet Union in Reims and commander of the military liaison mission. French General François Sevez, summoned in extremis, was invited to countersign it as a witness in his capacity as General de Gaulle's Chief of Staff. The English text was the only authoritative text.

The extent of General Susloparov's powers was not really clear and he had no way of contacting the Kremlin quickly. He nevertheless took the risk of signing for the Soviet side. He notes, however, that the document could be replaced in the future by a new version. Stalin reveals himself very dissatisfied with the turn of the event. He demanded that the German surrender could only be accepted in the presence of a representative of the High Command of the Soviet Union forces and he insisted that the Rheims protocol be considered as a preliminary to the official ceremony that would be held in Berlin in the presence of Marshal Zhukov
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:arrow: So yes, at the beginning, there was no British (Walter Bedell Smith was one of Eisenhower's men), but Marshal Zhukov was not there either. He came the next day, May 8...

At that time, the French also sent a senior general (de Lattre) and the British sent someone too! :D


Small confusion in the dates, mixing of the information relating to the two signatures of the German surrender... Well, it's not a big deal! 8)

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:06 am

Эй, забавно находить отрывки, написанные генералом де Голлем (написанные, конечно, по-французски), переведенные на русский язык, а затем я переводил их, чтобы понять, о чем идет речь! :lol:

8) It's nothing, just kidding:
"Hey, it's funny to find passages written by General de Gaulle (written in French, of course) translated into Russian, and then I translated them to see what they were talking about!" :D

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:12 am

uzbek2012 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:48 pm
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Профессор криминалистики Роберт Лилли из США проверил американские военные архивы и пришел к выводу, что к ноябрю 1945 года трибуналы рассмотрели 11 040 случаев серьезных сексуальных преступлений, совершенных американскими военнослужащими в Германии. Согласны с тем, что западные союзники также "распускали руки", и другие историки из Великобритании, Франции и Америки.
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Yeah, as you've quoted: "Robert Lilly, a U.S. criminalistics professor, checked U.S. military records and concluded that by November 1945, tribunals had dealt with 11,040 cases of serious sexual crimes committed by American servicemen in Germany. Other historians from Great Britain, France and America agree that the Western Allies also "dissolved their hands." :shock:

:arrow: Yes, so it was much more common than we think... :evil: so maybe the Goumiers were not so different in that respect... :?

EDIT: Well, after, the :shock: picture with the sentence in German underneath :shock: , clearly it was propaganda to incite the Germans to fight until the very last extremity! :? (There was something written in German, so something to be read by Germans! :wink: )


:arrow: Well, let's change the subject of conversation, shall we?
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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by uzbek2012 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:15 am

ColonelY wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:33 am
The Goumiers were excellent soldiers or, rather, excellent fighters. What may have hindered them were some of their non-combat actions...
uzbek2012 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:48 pm
[...] so without them you would not have won in the end [...]
To be seen, my friend, there were many other excellent soldiers in the ranks. For example, the various troops of Tunisian, Algerian or Moroccan riflemen who made up many of the first regiments of Free France were also excellent soldiers, capable of evolving with a certain ease in unlikely terrains...

Without the Goumiers, no victory? This is probably an exaggeration, even if the Goumiers did contribute greatly to opening up fronts, which the "regular" Free French troops were then able to exploit, before the entire Allied armies could in turn exploit the opening made.

I think simply that without the Goumier they would not have won as quickly in the end. :wink:

If the French had not been so efficient, the Allied corps engaged at their side would also have progressed less rapidly (as in Italy, for example). This would have put less pressure on the Germans, who could have sent more troops against the Russians to slow them down or even push them back... Everything could have been different. In the end, after a while, the German fall was inevitable. The question was when it would happen. 8)

From here: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goumiers_marocains
"The 2nd Moroccan Tabor Group (2nd GTM - the equivalent of 3 battalions!) is, after the 2nd Parachute Hunter Regiment, one of the six most decorated infantry units of World War II along with the 3rd Algerian Rifle Regiment, the 4th Tunisian Rifle Regiment, the Chad March Regiment, the 13th Foreign Legion Half-Brigade, and the Marine and Pacific Infantry Battalion (BIMP)." :arrow: See, it's varied... :D

Oh, and by the way ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Parac ... r_Regiment ):
"The 2nd Parachute Chasseur Regiment (French: 2e Régiment de Chasseurs Parachutistes) or 2e RCP, is one of the most decorated French units of the Second World War, the only land unit awarded the red fourragère in that war, including six citations at the orders of the armed forces. [...] The unit was commonly referred to in the British Armed Forces as the 4th SAS." These guys have participated in Brittany as well.. :wink:
France Vichy and France of the Resistance
https://www.vokrugsveta.ru/vs/article/7166/

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https://en.topwar.ru/161446-oni-tozhe-p ... vojnu.html

I read you and I understand a lot ) And how will you do the battles where some of the French fought for Hitler, and others for de Gaulle l ?
More Frenchmen fought for the Fuhrer than against him
https://pikabu.ru/story/za_fyurera_voev ... iv_6854165
https://aif.ru/society/history/soyuznik ... hem_protiv

Unknown France: the French against the USSR during the Great Patriotic War
https://en.topwar.ru/5524-neznakomaya-f ... -sssr.html

On May 16, 1940, Captain Pierre Billot, in a B1bis No. 337 "Eure" tank, met a column of German tanks on a narrow, winding street in the small village of Stonne. Biyot took advantage of the fact that his tank had two guns: he ordered the driver to knock out the lead tank from the 75-mm gun, and he fired at the end one. After that, he methodically destroyed the column squeezed between the damaged cars. Leaving the village, Billot met another column – with the same ending. In addition to the claimed 13 tanks (Pz.IV and 11 Pz. III) was able to destroy 2 anti-tank guns. In a few minutes of battle, the Biyot tank received at least 140 hits – and not a single hole. Soon, Biyot was wounded and captured, but was able to escape from a camp in Pomerania to the Soviet Union.

A little over a year later, the Soviet troops will take over the" baton " of the fight against the Wehrmacht from the French. With the German attack on the USSR, Pierre Billot became the military attache of the "Free France" in Moscow, later-the chief of staff of de Gaulle, and in 1944, as part of the 2nd Armored Division of General Leclerc, he liberated Paris. In the skies over the Soviet Union, French pilots will fight alongside Soviet pilots. They didn't know what their homeland would be like. They didn't even know if there would be a France after the war. In France, they were sentenced to death and, if captured, were to be shot. However, they fought. Until the overall victory.
https://warspot.ru/3374-frantsiya-v-boyu

Fallen France: Vichy vs De Gaulle
https://vk.com/@iziboths-padshaya-franc ... -de-gollya

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1941. Two soldiers of the Legion of French Volunteers against Bolshevism (LVF) in the conquered city
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1941. Soldiers of the Legion of French Volunteers against Bolshevism (LVF) on the Eastern Front.
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1942. Soldiers of the Legion of French Volunteers against Bolshevism (LVF), pass through the destroyed city.

There are many more photos here )
https://photochronograph.ru/2019/04/20/ ... 1-43-gody/

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:06 am

I went through some of the last links you've selected... Well, here are few comments:

-> As for the somewhat "late" resistance of the French... well, first they had to start organizing themselves, that takes time, they had to gather, think about their means of action, etc. Maybe we just don't talk about it because it was of course not yet as big as their actions will be later? Or simply because they managed to stay (at start) discrete enough? :wink:

-> For the "mouchards", yes, we know. Several French groups collaborated with the Germans, even to support their Gesapo. But here, one of the major problems is that the Government of General Pétain, installed in the city of Vichy, was itself collaborating with the Germans... and the Government necessarily had supporters among their people (Pétain was also quite a personality, after all :roll: ). Several of these units can be encountered throughout the campaign… and severely beaten! :twisted:

-> The SS Charlemagne division has already been mentioned in the campaign and that some of them (I quote) "will be among the last defenders of the Nazi German capital".
But that's somehow normal, in itself: there were two great ideologies shaking Europe - communism and fascism. Both had fanatical supporters.
And just like in the "civil" war in Spain just before World War II, communists from all over the world came to help, just as fascists found themselves there too (Hitler in particular took advantage of this opportunity to test his new theory of Blitzkrieg with armor and planes - but others made other experiments of the same kind by taking advantage of this life-size exercise theater)...
It was like that before (ww2), it continued during; it is the same principle! :wink:

-> As for this article which maintains that "Otherwise, the French went voluntarily to work for the Nazis." :shock:
ColonelY wrote:
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[…] Extracts translated from T3, pp37-42:

A certain demagogy demanded then noisily that we mobilize the classes of age to bear arms. This mass mobilization, renewed from the revolutionary period, would have provided, certainly, considerable numbers, in spite of the fact that 2,5 million men were in the hands of the enemy as prisoners of war, deported from the resistance or required to work, and that 300,000 others had been killed or seriously injured since the beginning of the conflict. But this was no longer the time when numbers counted more than anything else. [...][/b].”
:arrow: It's more complicated than that... :wink: At one time, for EACH French prisoner that the Germans agreed to send back to his country, THREE Frenchmen had to offer to go and work in their factories in Germany (and to really go, of course)... that's how it was! :?

Another point to consider is that the Germans dismantled the main French factories to rebuild them in their own country... (so less work for the French in France anyway). :?

Some French people more or less chose to go, others not.

Now, the article that claims that more French people fought against de Gaulle than with him :shock: , there, I would be tempted either to say a huge NO! :evil: or to answer by a "OH, REALLY?!" :D

1. When de Gaulle had to rebuild an army, of course he had few men at his disposal... but there, it is normal. (So it would be petty and futile to point it out. :roll: )

2. Later on, the Germans could benefit from ONE division (SS Charlemagne)... of course, but at that time, de Gaulle had SEVERAL divisions at his disposal, so many more people. (So at that time it would be wrong to claim that.)

3. Once the country was liberated, the former collaborators of the Germans... in short, they could no longer weigh in the balance anyway.

4. That would leave all those "prisoners of war, deported from the resistance or required to work"... hard to claim that they were fighting against de Gaulle, right? :|

And on what basis, anyway?

They had been forced, by and large, to help build Panzers and planes for the German forces, okay. But some of them went there on purpose. Some of them were part of the Resistance: how many machines did they sabotage discreetly, during the machining? How many of these men were caught in the act, brutally tortured and summarily shot?

The French Resistance was not only made on French soil... :wink:

For example, how many German tanks were blocked because of technical problems on the plains of Eastern Europe, eh, how many? :D Yet, the Germans were rather famous for having quality equipment... so, how was it possible? :lol:

No, this kind of "argument" reminds me of some headlines in big newspapers... the goal is to attract people, to make a buzz, to make people talk about them, period. :wink:
(And, some of them aren't even arguments, but rather conclusions presented as facts.)


Always stay curious, of course, but always keep a critical mind! 8)


Well, seriously, you know, I'm not going to comment on entire articles every time, all the same. :| :lol: ( :wink: )

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by bru888 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:31 am

Um, if I could get back to talking about the campaign for a moment, specifically the Indochina scenario ...

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• 4 evacuation points (red circles/ovals, crossing over into China)
• 12 source points (blue circles/ovals, three for each evacuation point)
• Random generation of evacuation vehicles (Panhard recons, AI-controlled) moving from source points to evacuation points
• Losing a source point shuts down that route; losing an evacuation point shuts down three routes
• Increasing pressure by spawning new Japanese units every X turns
• Evacuate X number of vehicles before end of scenario

Note: Chindits are out anyway. I am only showing the Tonkin region of Indochina, so of the French OoB that you showed earlier, only these units will appear (multiples of each, of course):

Division du Tonkin (DT)
Détachement Motorisé du Tonkin (DMT)
9e Régiment d'Infanterie Colonial (9e RIC)
19e Régiment Mixte d'Infanterie Colonial (9e RMIC)
5e Régiment Etranger d'Infanterie (5e REI)
1er Régiment de Tirailleurs Tonkinois (1er RTT)
3e Régiment de Tirailleurs Tonkinois (3e RTT)
4e Régiment de Tirailleurs Tonkinois (4e RTT)
4e Régiment d'Artillerie Coloniale (4e RAC)

Division de Cochinchine-Cambodge (DCC) was based in southern/central Indochina while Brigade d'Annam-Laos (BAL), which included Montagnards, served in that province of Indochina.
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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:40 am

bru888 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:38 pm
[...]
• Added campaign variable pins for air and land experience to the campaign maps for Strasbourg and Operation Nordwind. [...]
Okay, that saves me saying it. :wink:


19Strasbourg: 8)

Major Victory achieved during the 44th turn out of 50.
(But I haven’t had the XP bonus, obviously, and I’ve waited to gather several units before entering the firing range of the first fortresses… it’s perfectly manageable.)

Ahh, another masterpiece, a great pleasure to test it! :D

So, here's a feedback of mine about this scenario:

-> I suggest :idea: adding a single red arrow for the pri obj “Do not attempt a crossing of the Rhine”. Where? Well, not on bridges, obviously, but rather 1 hex South of the “Kehl” flag. (It’s not that difficult to figure out, but it may be much more obvious for us, as we “know” the map already… :wink: )

-> Excellent use of allied land reinforcements… :D

-> I’ve tried, just to see… :wink: “Dismissed!” :lol:Excellent! :D (I’ve of course reloaded a save to carry on.)

-> Event “La Marseillaise”… “C’est beau !” :D :P
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-> I suggest :idea: adding one or two Free French Sherman tank units on the field.

To me they feel a little under-represented now… :?

The CC B of the US div has 4 Sherman tanks, but the Free French entire division has only 3 of them (plus other armored units, of course). And the “Régiment de Cuirassiers / 2e DB” is represented by a single unit whereas the German 15th Panzer Regiment has 4 units… And imagine if the player has lost, let’s say, one Sherman and one Stuart tanks… then the armored power of the 2e DB won’t look that much strong anymore at all!

So, don’t remove any American or German tank. :x ( :wink: ) But some extra Free French Sherman would be welcome. :arrow: I suggest another Sherman named too “501e Chars de Combat / 2e DB” (so 2 with the same name) and another named as well “Régiment de Cuirassiers / 2e DB” (so again two with the same name)… the two which are explicitly regiments having two Sherman each, while the somehow more generic “Chasseurs d’Afrique / 2e DB” stays single.

(Nice, how you deploy them in column formation, by the way.)

We need to see a little more French tanks than American tanks don’t we? (Even if all these tanks are of American built. :lol: )

:arrow: Then, of course, it would be nice to :idea: have the same addition as well for the Operation Nordwind… where the 2e DB is deployed inside Strasbourg. But it’s perfect, look: 2 hexes in the city don’t contain any unit yet – so we’ve room to put an extra two nice units inside Strasbourg! :D
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-> You’re right, as it is, it would make no sense to exploit the “surprise effect”… 8)

-> W of Gambsheim, you’ve a river flag without any name… :o (same map, so same for both scenarios)

-> There is a (very) useful bridge between Hotchfelden and Brumath (if I’m not mistaken with names) that is not blown up… yet, at least. On purpose? :wink:

-> The fortresses are replaced by concrete bunkers now… as it’s on “Impassable Area” anyway, I wonder whether keeping fortresses (still on “Impassable Area” that is, guns facing the left) would look better or not. Sure, it can’t be used yet, but it’s still a fortress… :?: I don’t really know…

-> These long-range artillery guns at Kehl are well protected, that’s perfect! :D I’m wondering, when this objective is enabled, perhaps :idea: making these three guns visible as well? :?: (As we know their positions; still hiding the AAs though… :wink: )

-> We don’t really feel like having air superiority on this particular sector, I think. :o (But should we, anyway? :twisted: ) It’s more like contested skies, but it’s perfectly manageable. :wink:

-> Perhaps the text of the event “La Reconnaissance” should be :idea: completed a little by this final sentence: “Check quickly on the side of the mountains, then push a reconnaissance to the north.” It’s not necessarily that immersive (although), but the point is: if the player keeps his plane over the mountains, then two splendid events will never pop-up for him… :(

-> For events like Cathedral is liberated or the three about crossing (in case…), I suggest either removing the “target hex” or choosing one hex closer to the city… :wink:

-> We’ve still the blue arrow from the map in the NE of the Vosges mountains :arrow: from there one could still :idea: involve some extra 3-4 German units, making some small (and relatively light) counterattack once coming nearby this sector… (no event required there) :twisted:
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:? There is now no flag nor arrow on the campaign map before Operation Nordwind…
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20OperationNordwind: 8)

Well, directly these two points:

1. Two extra Sherman units for the 2e DB deployed inside Strasbourg as well would be nice…
2. Flag without name at some river... :wink:

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:48 am

:D French Indochina: It looks promising! :P
bru888 wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:31 am
[...] Note: Chindits are out anyway. [...] while Brigade d'Annam-Laos (BAL), which included Montagnards, served in that province of Indochina.
Yes, well, at first sight... :wink: These Chindits/Montagnards could still :idea: be involved perhaps toegther with the Force 136? 8)

As for ships, there is not enough room for a full naval battle or an attempt to evacuate Free French ships, but some :idea: Japanese DDs could show up to harass what is within their reach... :wink:

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by bru888 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:01 pm

ColonelY wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:40 am
bru888 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:38 pm
[...]
• Added campaign variable pins for air and land experience to the campaign maps for Strasbourg and Operation Nordwind. [...]
Okay, that saves me saying it. :wink: Où sont les épingles? :x ( :wink: )


19Strasbourg: 8)

Major Victory achieved during the 44th turn out of 50.
(But I haven’t had the XP bonus, obviously, and I’ve waited to gather several units before entering the firing range of the first fortresses… it’s perfectly manageable.)That's cutting it close, for you are a better player than most. Still, I will leave it at 50 turns unless you recommend otherwise.

Ahh, another masterpiece, a great pleasure to test it! :D Yes, I seem to be getting better at this as we go along. :wink:

So, here's a feedback of mine about this scenario:

-> I suggest :idea: adding a single red arrow for the pri obj “Do not attempt a crossing of the Rhine”. Where? Well, not on bridges, obviously, but rather 1 hex South of the “Kehl” flag. (It’s not that difficult to figure out, but it may be much more obvious for us, as we “know” the map already… :wink: ) Arrows added.

-> Excellent use of allied land reinforcements… :D

-> I’ve tried, just to see… :wink: “Dismissed!” :lol:Excellent! :D (I’ve of course reloaded a save to carry on.)

-> Event “La Marseillaise”… “C’est beau !” :D :P
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-> I suggest :idea: adding one or two Free French Sherman tank units on the field.

To me they feel a little under-represented now… :? Agree.

The CC B of the US div has 4 Sherman tanks, but the Free French entire division has only 3 of them (plus other armored units, of course). And the “Régiment de Cuirassiers / 2e DB” is represented by a single unit whereas the German 15th Panzer Regiment has 4 units… And imagine if the player has lost, let’s say, one Sherman and one Stuart tanks… then the armored power of the 2e DB won’t look that much strong anymore at all!

So, don’t remove any American or German tank. :x ( :wink: ) But some extra Free French Sherman would be welcome. :arrow: I suggest another Sherman named too “501e Chars de Combat / 2e DB” (so 2 with the same name) and another named as well “Régiment de Cuirassiers / 2e DB” (so again two with the same name)… the two which are explicitly regiments having two Sherman each, while the somehow more generic “Chasseurs d’Afrique / 2e DB” stays single. I followed this suggestion.

(Nice, how you deploy them in column formation, by the way.) Thank goodness for Shift + R!

We need to see a little more French tanks than American tanks don’t we? (Even if all these tanks are of American built. :lol: )

:arrow: Then, of course, it would be nice to :idea: have the same addition as well for the Operation Nordwind… where the 2e DB is deployed inside Strasbourg. But it’s perfect, look: 2 hexes in the city don’t contain any unit yet – so we’ve room to put an extra two nice units inside Strasbourg! :D Yes, that is fortunate because I would be looking for continuity and I would not be happy with tank "overflow." :)
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-> You’re right, as it is, it would make no sense to exploit the “surprise effect”… 8)

-> W of Gambsheim, you’ve a river flag without any name… :o (same map, so same for both scenarios) That is the famous Zorn River which will play an important part in Operation Nordwind. I remember finding it unlabeled and labeling it but what often happens is, I run into trouble and I reload a save, failing to remember to redo everything that I had just done.

-> There is a (very) useful bridge between Hotchfelden and Brumath (if I’m not mistaken with names) that is not blown up… yet, at least. On purpose? :wink: Yes, same with the bridge east of Sarrebourg. I wanted to simulate the Germans being mindful of destroying primary bridges but neglecting a couple of secondary road bridges that the player can discover and exploit.

-> The fortresses are replaced by concrete bunkers now… as it’s on “Impassable Area” anyway, I wonder whether keeping fortresses (still on “Impassable Area” that is, guns facing the left) would look better or not. Sure, it can’t be used yet, but it’s still a fortress… :?: I don’t really know… Ooof! What an oversight. Thanks for catching and mentioning this. Of course, I erred once and then cloned it six times . . .

-> These long-range artillery guns at Kehl are well protected, that’s perfect! :D I’m wondering, when this objective is enabled, perhaps :idea: making these three guns visible as well? :?: (As we know their positions; still hiding the AAs though… :wink: ) No, I prefer the challenge of the player needed to spot those guns from the air, as you apparently did for your Major Victory.

-> We don’t really feel like having air superiority on this particular sector, I think. :o (But should we, anyway? :twisted: ) It’s more like contested skies, but it’s perfectly manageable. :wink: You always want an aerial challenge, so here it is! But each Luftwaffe wave is relatively small.

-> Perhaps the text of the event “La Reconnaissance” should be :idea: completed a little by this final sentence: “Check quickly on the side of the mountains, then push a reconnaissance to the north.” It’s not necessarily that immersive (although), but the point is: if the player keeps his plane over the mountains, then two splendid events will never pop-up for him… :( I was torn about this. You know me; usually I am in favor of the player proving himself as a general by doing the proper thing but in this case, yes, I can see him flying over the mountains and toward Strasbourg and then getting caught by the counterattack unawares (and never seeing those messages). So I bent my principles and included the sentence "Better make sure the areas west of the Vosges are fully scouted first" to the La Reconnaissance message.

-> For events like Cathedral is liberated or the three about crossing (in case…), I suggest either removing the “target hex” or choosing one hex closer to the city… :wink: Done.

-> We’ve still the blue arrow from the map in the NE of the Vosges mountains :arrow: from there one could still :idea: involve some extra 3-4 German units, making some small (and relatively light) counterattack once coming nearby this sector… (no event required there) :twisted: Your 44 turns out of 50 puts me off of that, the extra two French tanks notwithstanding. I want to keep both of these scenarios to a maximum of 50 turns if I can (Operation Nordwind may defeat this, however.) Still, a bit of an extra challenge for those four primary VPs east of the Vosges is not a bad idea. Added three lurking infantry units, both north and south.
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:? There is now no flag nor arrow on the campaign map before Operation Nordwind… This is one of my mental blocks. Fixed.
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20OperationNordwind: 8)

Well, directly these two points:

1. Two extra Sherman units for the 2e DB deployed inside Strasbourg as well would be nice… Done.
2. Flag without name at some river... :wink: Done.
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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by bru888 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:17 pm

Free France 1940-1945 v0.56 has been uploaded. It includes all of the changes discussed in the preceding post.

Free France 1940-1945 (twenty scenarios)
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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by bru888 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:37 pm

It has begun. It's like Michelangelo looking at a huge chunk of Carrara marble and saying "What am I going to do with this?" Then he starts chipping away a little bit and all of a sudden the ideas start coming. Soon enough, he sees the entire statue, complete and shining, in his mind. Eureka! :shock:

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:44 pm

:D By practicing well, one can only get better and even better.
bru888 wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:01 pm
ColonelY wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:40 am
[…] I will leave it at 50 turns unless you recommend otherwise.
50 turns, that seems perfectly fine! :D

[…] No, I prefer the challenge of the player needed to spot those guns from the air, as you apparently did for your Major Victory.
I did, it costs me a bomber! :lol: I was expecting some AA, but not that much (it’s perfect!)… Anyway, this was my bad :roll: , as I should have flied it over instead of stopped it over in order to “scout” this sector! :wink:
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20OperationNordwind: 8)

This one looks really excellent too, but we need to rework something: the amount of turns at disposal… now we have really TOO MUCH turns available! :?

Look: we’ve 50 turns to hold, but I’ve had the possibility to end the scenario earlier (that’s cool!)… but during the 10th turn! :shock: Of course, I’ve said “no”, to see a little more about it, but… :?
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How I’ve started? 8)

1. Our frontline start entrenched? Ok, so first let them stay like this… first turn, only artillery taking good shots against visible enemy units.

2. Reserve division? Where would it be most needed? No time to waiste – the time to figure out exactly and it may be too late to send fast enough reinforcements. So, immediately split in three groups:
A) One infantry regiment (3 inf units), one tank unit, some artillery sent to the North in close support of the American;
B) Same formation sent to the South in close support of the French 1re DFL;
C) All the rest, namely the third infantry regiment and 1 scout car unit staying in the center, near roads…

3. Sent some troops of the 2e DB outside of Strasbourg, moving South… the recon unit on the road, even covered by an AT-unit, facing strong German tanks… and all this near forts that need to be protected… I thought, well, I’ll have to replace this scout car on the frontline with something much stronger, like a Sherman!

Anyway, it was a digression…
:lol: ( :wink: )
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First things first:

And first, :!: the enemy is very too weak in the South now

=> At t5, ‘almost entirely whipped out, with 3 French units 1 hex away of the W flag & 2 French units already 2 hexes away of the E flag.
During the 7th turn, the very last land German unit there being destroyed!


There I stayed defensive (at first) but took benefit from opportunities and used the help of the guys of the 3e DIA and some of Leclerc’s guys.

Anyway, we shouldn’t allow that. Therefore, I suggest:
1) :idea: 1 heavy infantry as garrison in each one of these two southern towns (this won’t unbalance our defensive fight anyway)
2) :idea: more punch at disposal, let’s say why not 1 NebelWerfer unit for the 198th division, then 1 Wurfrahmen & duplicate the Grenadier unit for the Brigade…

=> So, with more power (including a few rocket-launchers :P ), these units are more likely to make better progress. And, in case, with heavies in support (even perhaps with mortar), this sector won’t be captured as quickly anymore, it won’t be possible anylonger! :twisted:
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For the N and NE battle, I would suggest:
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1. About the 6th SS:

(When I played, I’ve sent, after few turns of bombarding and shooting, the Americans up-mountains and, well, they’ve pretty much cleared all this sector:shock: )

a) “Jäger 'Norge ' / 6th SS Gebirgs” => Excellent, to have involved these guys explicitly! :D
Very little detail… you can safely remove one space just after “Norge”. :wink:

b) The division has lost its artillery on the way now… :lol: ( :wink: )

In 1943, it should have (according to this German wiki OoB https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/6._SS-Geb ... d%E2%80%9C ): “SS Assault Gun Battery 6”, “SS Mountain Artillery Regiment 6” and “SS Launcher Division 6”… and in 1942 (according to this English equivalent wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_SS_Mo ... ision_Nord ): “Gebirgs Artillery Regiment 6 with three artillery groups” and “SS-Werfer Battalion 6 (Rocket artillery)”

=> I suggest deploying in these mountains at least 1 (SS) Nebelwerfer & 1 (SS) (mountain gun) 7.5 cm IeIG 18:idea: At least, because, well, perhaps 1 Nebelwerfer plus 2 mountain guns units? It would feel better (for them) compared to the artillery of the other divisions in the North. :wink:

c) They had Aufklärungs (mot) as well and some AT-unit too… now, according to the Portuguese equivalent ( https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.%C2%AA_ ... tanha_Nord ) this AT-unit looks like some “old” Marder I unit…

Now, these two can’t start on mountain hexes, obviously… but just NE of the mountains, you’ve two free hexes inside forest: :arrow: so 1 for their recon unit and 1 for this old TD unit (both SS, full XP of course). :D
(I didn’t thought that a mountain division would have had AT units as well, but as a complete combat group, well, they actually have… My bad! :roll: )

d) One could add as well some light AA capability for them, if one (really) wishes too, covering their newly acquired artillery units… :wink:
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2. We’ve some good American heavies on the field, named “Machine Gun / etc.”. But German don’t have heavies, except as garrisons… So, we should add some for them. Now, let’s see: PzG are known to be stronger (or of better overall “quality”) than VGD… :idea: Thus, perhaps adding one German heavy infantry per PzG division?
:arrow: So, it’s one for the 25th PzG AND later one for the 17th SS PzG (full XP for this one)…
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2b. Speaking of which – sorry for the digression:

I’ll already suggest two adaptations related to the apparition of these divisions…

A) :idea: Change the supply output 1 hex NW of Loudrefing from +50 to +100… a safety, and we’ve this in the eastern part, so, and because…
B) :idea: Add some garrisons units there, called “Back Safety”, or “Garrison” or even “Ost Battalion” or whatever… 3 units (that could be simply regular infantry instead of really heavies) on their actual spawning area… 1 at the +50 supply output (the not-modified one, that is) and 1 in each one of the two towns they’ll directly capture…

Two reasons: otherwise the AI will keep units back to defend these hexes and, well, as it’s damn tempting anyway to go up there from the “SW” to try outsupplying them, well… :wink: And the Chaffee is excellent to move throughout forests! :P (I’ll really like this “106th Cavalry Reg”, and I understand better why you’ve put it in the first scenario – perfectly coherent, thus excellent! :D )
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3. At t15, when now… (you know!) there was almost no single German unit left in the N and NE parts of the battlefield… well, only TWO units remaining and, trust me, not for long! :shock:

:!: It will be time to use our tactical reserve (it’s perfectly plausible, according to http://www.lignemaginot.com/ligne/esch/combats/nord.htm as already written):
ColonelY wrote:
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[...] 3. We may even let another division appear, as reinforcement, around the middle of the battle or something, well once the German offensive begin to lack some power, some steam, that is…. See just below: one could consider the 245th VgD as a candidate for this purpose![/color] [...]
:D
The French wiki gives us ( https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/245e_divi ... Allemagne) ) this OoB for 1945:

• Grenadier-Regiment 935
• Grenadier-Regiment 936
• Grenadier-Regiment 937
• Füsilier-Bataillon 245
• Artillerie-Regiment 245
• Pionier-Bataillon 245
• Panzerjäger-Abteilung 245
• (Nachrichten-Abteilung 245)
• Feldersatz-Bataillon 245


The German wiki equivalent agrees with this OoB, althouth without giving any year... Whereas its (translated) Polish equivalent ( https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/245_Dywiz ... II_Rzesza) ) has this one, for in July 1944: 935th, 936th and 937th Grenadier Regiment, 245th Artillery Regiment, 245th Pioneer Battalion, 245th Anti-Tank Detachment, (245th Communications Detachment), 245th Field Reserve Battalion.

8) Now that we have an idea about the OoB, when and how to make them join the fray?

How? :idea:
So, we have:
11 Regular Infantry units: “935th Reg / 245th VGD” (3x), “936th Reg / 245th VGD” (3x), “937th Reg / 245th VGD” (3x), “Füsilier / 245th VGD” (1x), “Feldersatz / 245th VGD" (1x)
1 Engineer unit: “Pionier / 245th VGD”
=> Up north (NE), we’ve 3 paved road entry points and 2 dirt road entry points… that may be considered as 4 “big” entry points… for a total of 12 infantry units, that’s 3 each!
About artillery, as we have already many non-armored units in this sector and as these reinforcements may have to move before coming into range, then, what about some (light) armored artillery?
You’ve gone with 4 artillery units per division right now, so, let’s do the same – and it’s perfect as we’ve 4 “big” entry points, so 1 per each… as potential unit models, I count the SdKfz. 135/1, the sIG 38(t) Grille H, the Wespe and the Hummel… umm, that’s precisely 4…
As AA unit, we may choose some mobile unit as well, like a SdKzf 7/1 perhaps. All this with one AT unit and this will look like something!

When? :idea:
We’ve many options. We could choose some specific turn (but it may depend on how the player plays… if he struggles already, no need to finish him off with this!), we could choose when there is no longer more than a given amount of German unit in a given area (but it may depend on whether the German do make a striking advance, thus somehow quit this given area… again, no need to finish the player off with this!), OR we could simply choose to spawn this division when the German have lost a given amount of units… and that may be the easiest way. It doesn’t matter exactly whether the Germans have left a sector by moving away, nor when it is exactly, nor in which sector exactly the Germans have taken the most casualties.
Okay, but when? Well, I would say perhaps when they’ve lost between 50 to 60 units?
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I’ve stopped playing during the 21st turn, with the entire map under control, except of course the NW area, but there the Germans have lost their first units too and most of my units where moving against them… they would have simply no chance at all, they were sentenced!

I saved, then reloaded the file to have a look at the counter: already 175 enemy units destroyed out of 100 (100 reached during the 10th turn!)…

Obviously, :!: we don’t want the battle to end without having encountered and defeated the groups spawning now at t15… :? but it’s nice to have an early victory possibility. 8) But as it shouldn’t come too early, this threshold should be increased… let’s see… 175 + the remaining units, that should be almost 200, plus the extra 20 of the 245th VGD, that’s about 220 enemy land units… So, :idea: I suggest that this threshold is increased up to 150 enemy units!
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:!: Anyway, 50 turns, that’s definitely too much… I hope this won’t be too shocking :roll: ( :wink: ) but I suggest to reduce it already to :idea: 36 turns :lol: (but in my mind, and even with these modifications, 30 turns should already be largely enough – we’ll see, I’ll test it again later 8) ).

(Of course, seeing too whether this imply changes in terms of German air resources or something.)
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Same consideration, what happens in the NW should be moved from :idea: t15 to t12 (or even perhaps t10, again we’ll see later)…
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Now, a little of more little elements, maybe:

-> Turn on the “off-map air supply source” for the German. They may lose their two airfields and then it’s very difficult for them… :wink:

-> When our planes do spawn, we may find nice to have as well one or two (US) recon planes… they may be very useful in the North to help spotting enemy artillery in order to do some more efficient counter-battery firings! (Two: yes, so potentially one in the North and one in the East… or, if one is down, well…)

-> By the way, I really like the mix of artillery within the 2e DB. And the Jackson is an awesome touch too! :D

-> Briefing 4/5: “la Troisième Algériennes” (singular not plural) -> “la Troisième Algérienne”

-> About our Cathedral… In the previous scenario, we’ve had the event “Cathedral Off-Limits”, with its texts starting with “Attention! We will not justify the enemy's barbarous decision to fortify Strasbourg Cathedral […]” So, well, now let’s NOT fortify it ourselves. :wink: We aren’t supposed to be barbarians too, so: Remove all XP, all entrenchment & put it to “Impassable Area” (as the Ex-Concentration Camp). 8)
EDIT: Well, about the Cathedral, one could still do a little better than this (first) suggestion - see one of the next posts about it, please. :wink:

-> Speaking of which adding these three caracters on map as well? :?: “Ex-“, for “Natzweiler Concentration Camp” or, if it becomes too long, simply “Ex-Concentration Camp”?

-> “37e Grp Antiaérien / 3e DIA”, being a 57mm Gun M1 (AT) should be called “37e Grp Antichar / 3e DIA”. :wink:

-> Text of event “Status Report 3/3”: “Merci boucoup!” -> “Merci beaucoup!” :wink:

-> Names in US 103rd Inf Div… in Saverne itself, you’ve a regular infantry called “Machine Gun / 103rd Infantry” (as the heavy unit more in the West)… as a regular infantry, it should be called “410th Reg / 103rd Infantry” (you’ve only 2 of them right now), and perhaps change its place with the “409th Reg / 103rd Infantry” over the river hex, to keep the organization you usually have in formations. :wink:


And, well, I think that’s it! :D
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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by bru888 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:00 pm

Great feedback as usual, I am sure. But before I get into it (soon), do you mean to tell me that you slew 100 enemy land units in only 10 turns?!? :shock:

You remind me of Thor the Thunderer! :shock: :shock:

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Of course, I can easily adjust that threshold, or replace it altogether with an option to end the scenario early when ALL enemy land units have been vanquished. What is your opinion, based on your play through experience?

Bear in mind that the Germans have 159 land units on the map to begin with (I never thought I would ever do anything this large) and another 31 show up in Turn 15 with the 17th SS PzG and 36th VGD breakthrough for a total of 190. If you mowed down 100 in only 10 turns, maybe the early scenario ending should be ALL land units (after turn 15), with no popup dialogue option.

Please let me know your thoughts.
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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:22 pm

bru888 wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:00 pm
[...] do you mean to tell me that you slew 100 enemy land units in only 10 turns?!? :shock: [...]
Yes, I confirm it. 8)

Yes, but beware, we have many units ourselves! :wink:

During the 7th turn, for example, elimination of the last German units coming from the Colmar pocket... only there, that makes already 26, I believe, thus just like that a good quarter! :D

EDIT: And at t15, when these two other divisions do spawn, there was ONLY 2 (of the starting) enemy units left on the entire map :twisted: (two heavies of the NE garrisons)... you said almost 160 land units on map before these reinforcements. So almost 160 minus 2, that's definitely much more than "just" 100, indeed! :lol: ( :wink: )
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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:22 pm

bru888 wrote:
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[...] You remind me of Thor the Thunderer! :shock: :shock: [...]
:lol: Thanks, my friend! :D

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:29 pm

bru888 wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:00 pm
[...] Of course, I can easily adjust that threshold, or replace it altogether with an option to end the scenario early when ALL enemy land units have been vanquished. What is your opinion, based on your play through experience?

Bear in mind that the Germans have 159 land units on the map to begin with (I never thought I would ever do anything this large) and another 31 show up in Turn 15 with the 17th SS PzG and 36th VGD breakthrough for a total of 190. If you mowed down 100 in only 10 turns, maybe the early scenario ending should be ALL land units (after turn 15), with no popup dialogue option.

Please let me know your thoughts.
'Already done, but well, as you wish. So, in (very :lol: ) short: increase this threshold, reduce the number of turns, make the two divisions spawn a little sooner, let our "secret reserve" appear (the extra VGD that could plausibly have appeared as well) in the NE when the enemy begin to lack some steam, reinforce the SS mountain division (give it back its artillery in particular), more means for the troops coming from Colmar... :wink:

About the different why and how, well, see my previous post, please.

EDIT: But definitely, no, save that choice for the player himself (or herself): he (or she) doesn't need to destroy absolutely ALL enemy units to opt for an early major victory... It's a very nice addition :D and it's just a matter of adjusting that threshold now. :wink:

:arrow: Then, I'll retest these two scenarios about Strasbourg. 8)


(But probably NOT before Monday. :wink: )

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Re: Free France Campaign

Post by ColonelY » Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:10 am

When one thinks about it, you know, this difference in the number of turns for these two scenarios, even though it's on the same map, it's quite normal. :wink:

In the first case, you have to move around, travel from one end to the other, overcoming difficulties every time they come up (mines, defensive lines, narrow passages, etc.)... it takes time.

In the second case, (most of) the two armies are directly facing each other, ready to fight, with many units in each one... from the first turn, powerful blows are exchanged... it's a bit like a start in the starting blocks, "on your marks, get set, go" (here it may even be "go, go, go!"). :arrow: Of course, it will take less time, there is no phase where the whole army has to cross the whole map, that's normal. 8)

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