Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by LNDavoust » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:40 pm

I'm sure terminator can speak for himself, but I don't think he was saying anything different from you, kondi. The mod description i used (edited from the wiki entry, i think) was "description = (v0.70) The Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) was a civil conflict fought between Republicans, loyal to the elected, left-leaning Second Spanish Republic (supported by the Soviet Union) against the Nationalists, a rebel alliance of Falangists, monarchists, conservatives and Catholics (backed by Italy and Germany)."

Both sides were "supported" but indeed they paid for that support, the Republic in gold reserves (the URSS didn't accepted other payment and no other country will sell anything militar to them, with some minor exceptions) and the rebels in debt (no only financial debt) to Italy and Germany, which was paid by Spain during many years after the war in several ways. If you want the URSS was less generous as they ask for a payment in advance, while the future Axis accepted selling on credit.

Or did I missunderstand you somehow?

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by kondi754 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:47 pm

LNDavoust wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:40 pm
I'm sure terminator can speak for himself, but I don't think he was saying anything different from you, kondi. The mod description i used (edited from the wiki entry, i think) was "description = (v0.70) The Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) was a civil conflict fought between Republicans, loyal to the elected, left-leaning Second Spanish Republic (supported by the Soviet Union) against the Nationalists, a rebel alliance of Falangists, monarchists, conservatives and Catholics (backed by Italy and Germany)."

Both sides were "supported" but indeed they paid for that support, the Republic in gold reserves (the URSS didn't accepted other payment and no other country will sell anything militar to them, with some minor exceptions) and the rebels in debt (no only financial debt) to Italy and Germany, which was paid by Spain during many years after the war in several ways. If you want the URSS was less generous as they ask for a payment in advance, while the future Axis accepted selling on credit.

Or did I missunderstand you somehow?
I think that even in this description you show your sympathy for Republicans, for me it was a war between cancer (nazism and fascism) and leprosy (communism).
Great totalitarian ideologies pursued their political goals, and Spain was just a testing ground
Just because some political option won the election doesn't mean that he is right - after all, Hitler and NSDAP have also gained power legally. I think that each situation should be considered comprehensively, we should know the genesis, conditions and historical context, but of course it's your project

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by Igor1941 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:14 pm

kondi754 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:07 pm
terminator wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:19 pm

:arrow: Another solution maybe more historical :
During Spanish Civil War, the USSR supported Spanish Repulican forces with "volunteers" and tanks, including 50 BT-5 ones. They saw extensive action since late 1937 and some of them became Nationalst trophies with colorfull bands on the turret to avoid friendly fire.

Let's say it clearly - the USSR didn't support Republicans for free, but sold equipment and was paid in gold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_gold_(Spain)

Combined - pleasant with useful ... 510 tons of gold were transported from Spain to the Soviet Union ...
Expensive, but the Communist Gulag is more expensive, minus 50 percent of the population ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_gold_(Spain)
Franco Luck of Spain ... We are so unlucky

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by GabeKnight » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:07 am

LNDavoust wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:43 pm
Thanks, it's great to hear that you like my commanders :) I indeed try to get something as close as possible to the official commanders, but the results are widely variable, I'm afraid, and personally I am not that satisfied with my own work :/ Creating portraits is not that time-consuming, but as I have no drawing skills, I am 100% dependable on finding a portrait with the proper lighting, framing and quality to create something barely tolerable. I will have a look to the Orde's thread. After all the help you offered me and others with our projects, the least I can do is try, Gabe :)
Thank you! :D

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by LNDavoust » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:15 am

Igor1941 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:14 pm
kondi754 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:07 pm
terminator wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:19 pm

:arrow: Another solution maybe more historical :
During Spanish Civil War, the USSR supported Spanish Repulican forces with "volunteers" and tanks, including 50 BT-5 ones. They saw extensive action since late 1937 and some of them became Nationalst trophies with colorfull bands on the turret to avoid friendly fire.

Let's say it clearly - the USSR didn't support Republicans for free, but sold equipment and was paid in gold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_gold_(Spain)

Combined - pleasant with useful ... 510 tons of gold were transported from Spain to the Soviet Union ...
Expensive, but the Communist Gulag is more expensive, minus 50 percent of the population ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_gold_(Spain)
Franco Luck of Spain ... We are so unlucky
We can send you what remains of Franco in exchange for the gold if you want him :)

Now seriously, I am not against a political discussion about the spanish civil war (although i feel a bit uneasy using english to discuss this topic) but I am more interested in creating a mod which can be used as a starting point for people who know little about the conflict to begin to learn about it. That was one of the my main motivators at the beginning, since i feel that OoB did a wonderful job for me in that department in conflicts like the sinojapanese, the winter war or the burma road: i knew almost nothing about this wars/theaters/regions when i play the dlcs, but after finish them, i had read during dozens of hours about each of these topics. Of course my political views had a lot to do with the picking of the sources, the books, etc... and also about my final conclusions (who were the bad and the good guys, if you want, or maybe the bad and the worse side :) ) but nevertheless i enjoyed playing the dlcs. So one of my objectives here is that you can have fun with the Spanish Prelude even if you see the republicans as mere dirty bolsheviks and Franco as a white teutonic knight in shiny armour (spoiler: he wasn't, we was quite short for a stormtrooper, i mean, for a knight;)) as i had fun with the Morning Sun campaign even after reading about the Nanjing Massacre, for example.

A second topic i’m also quite interested in is until which point my political sympathies can influence the mod (or someone's sympathies to any mod, or creation in general). My short answer would be that my beliefs in this regard are, at least in a superficial way, both important and unimportant, and both in a good way. They are important in a good way because they are a motivator: I like to read about the topic of the spanish civil war and getting ideas for the scenarios because i feel emotionally moved by those stories. And they are also unimportant (again, in a good way) because since the point of view of the commander you impersonate during the mod is the republican point of view, a general and superficial bias toward the republican cause is (imho) completely justified inside the campaign. The vanilla game does exactly the same when you play the official campaigns: you play with the good guys, no matter who you are playing with. Said that, the game does not vilify or mock the enemy, it does not use a lot of slang and it does not make any emphasys in the political conflicts behind the wars. So my mod does try to not do, since I have chosen to mimic the general tone of the creators of OoB in TSP.

I am talking about the big picture here, or the superficial level if you want. But what about the minor details, the deep levels of meaning choosing one or another battle, the political events reflected in the game... Well, the vanilla game has the Waffen SS, has the Todt, has the british repression in India,... Sometimes the devil is in the details, yes, and these are also interesting topics. But what i am trying to say is that TSP does not intend to be a pro-republican propagandistic pamphlet, not more than Blitzkrieg is a pro-lebensraum pamphlet :)

Briefly about the politics, in case you are interested in my views. Was Spain a testing ground for two totalitarisms? Yes, absolutely (as it is implied in the mod description, I think:) ). Was the Spanish Republic a soviet satellite before the Iron Curtain era? No, even when the stalinists reached its peak of influence over the republic at the end of the war, the spanish government was quite independent and still a legitimate democratic power. In fact, when the war broke in the 36, the Spanish Communist Party was a minor party inside the gubernamental coalition elected by the spaniards. It only grew stronger because the URSS was the only world power to support (in exchange of a generous payment, as we said before) the Republic. The government turned first toward France or Great Britain to get help, and only after it was evident that the other democracies did not act, they "activated" the soviet option (specially when it was clear that the italians and the germans were helping the other side since day 1). Therefore the sovietization of the Republic during the war was a consequence of the appeasement policy of Great Britain and France (that also provoked the sudetenland crisis and so and so). In fact most of the revolutionary leftists in Spain (yes, they existed, yes they were important both qualitatively and quantitatively) were anti-stalinists: they were socialists, trotskyists and also anarchists (all of them very prosecuted in the URSS during the time). And they were just a fraction (although important) of the government: most of its members were non-revolutionary socialists, liberals from the left and many center-left politicians. Is this anyhow portrayed in the mod? Well, the division among the republicans, yes, sure. More than that... I don't even name a single politician, or party, in the mod.

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by Igor1941 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:48 am

For information, not propaganda The Communists have 24% in democratic elections ... and they banned them 1917г. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_C ... t_Assembly

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by terminator » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:34 am

LNDavoust wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:43 pm
GabeKnight wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:11 pm
Sorry, but can't really help you there. I don't do scens and therefore I'm not very interested in campaign-related problems/changes/mods and did not much testing there.
My mod is meant primarily as a "player's mod", to be used to play stock or custom scens/campaigns. Not to create new stuff. That's why the "unique_scenarios" parameter inside the "mod.txt" file's set to use the vanilla campaign folder instead of the mod's.

But you did help! I didn't know (or most probably, i forgot) that the unique_scenario parameter worked that way. That explains the different bevaviours of the mods regarding the masks, and does support my theory regarding when, how and why the tga work.

For example, the official DLC campaign blitzkrieg runs without TGAs in the terminator's Forgotten Units Mod (left) but if i edit the mod.txt unique_scenarios to true, the very same campaign in the very same mod loads correctly the overalys (right) :D Now it works!

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Hope this helps Terminator and others who wanted to include overlays in their campaign's maps :D
You’re right the masks work with unique_scenarios = true :D

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by kondi754 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:31 pm

LNDavoust wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:15 am

Now seriously, I am not against a political discussion about the spanish civil war (although i feel a bit uneasy using english to discuss this topic) but I am more interested in creating a mod which can be used as a starting point for people who know little about the conflict to begin to learn about it. That was one of the my main motivators at the beginning, since i feel that OoB did a wonderful job for me in that department in conflicts like the sinojapanese, the winter war or the burma road: i knew almost nothing about this wars/theaters/regions when i play the dlcs, but after finish them, i had read during dozens of hours about each of these topics. Of course my political views had a lot to do with the picking of the sources, the books, etc... and also about my final conclusions (who were the bad and the good guys, if you want, or maybe the bad and the worse side :) ) but nevertheless i enjoyed playing the dlcs. So one of my objectives here is that you can have fun with the Spanish Prelude even if you see the republicans as mere dirty bolsheviks and Franco as a white teutonic knight in shiny armour (spoiler: he wasn't, we was quite short for a stormtrooper, i mean, for a knight;)) as i had fun with the Morning Sun campaign even after reading about the Nanjing Massacre, for example.

A second topic i’m also quite interested in is until which point my political sympathies can influence the mod (or someone's sympathies to any mod, or creation in general). My short answer would be that my beliefs in this regard are, at least in a superficial way, both important and unimportant, and both in a good way. They are important in a good way because they are a motivator: I like to read about the topic of the spanish civil war and getting ideas for the scenarios because i feel emotionally moved by those stories. And they are also unimportant (again, in a good way) because since the point of view of the commander you impersonate during the mod is the republican point of view, a general and superficial bias toward the republican cause is (imho) completely justified inside the campaign. The vanilla game does exactly the same when you play the official campaigns: you play with the good guys, no matter who you are playing with. Said that, the game does not vilify or mock the enemy, it does not use a lot of slang and it does not make any emphasys in the political conflicts behind the wars. So my mod does try to not do, since I have chosen to mimic the general tone of the creators of OoB in TSP.

I am talking about the big picture here, or the superficial level if you want. But what about the minor details, the deep levels of meaning choosing one or another battle, the political events reflected in the game... Well, the vanilla game has the Waffen SS, has the Todt, has the british repression in India,... Sometimes the devil is in the details, yes, and these are also interesting topics. But what i am trying to say is that TSP does not intend to be a pro-republican propagandistic pamphlet, not more than Blitzkrieg is a pro-lebensraum pamphlet :)

Briefly about the politics, in case you are interested in my views. Was Spain a testing ground for two totalitarisms? Yes, absolutely (as it is implied in the mod description, I think:) ). Was the Spanish Republic a soviet satellite before the Iron Curtain era? No, even when the stalinists reached its peak of influence over the republic at the end of the war, the spanish government was quite independent and still a legitimate democratic power. In fact, when the war broke in the 36, the Spanish Communist Party was a minor party inside the gubernamental coalition elected by the spaniards. It only grew stronger because the URSS was the only world power to support (in exchange of a generous payment, as we said before) the Republic. The government turned first toward France or Great Britain to get help, and only after it was evident that the other democracies did not act, they "activated" the soviet option (specially when it was clear that the italians and the germans were helping the other side since day 1). Therefore the sovietization of the Republic during the war was a consequence of the appeasement policy of Great Britain and France (that also provoked the sudetenland crisis and so and so). In fact most of the revolutionary leftists in Spain (yes, they existed, yes they were important both qualitatively and quantitatively) were anti-stalinists: they were socialists, trotskyists and also anarchists (all of them very prosecuted in the URSS during the time). And they were just a fraction (although important) of the government: most of its members were non-revolutionary socialists, liberals from the left and many center-left politicians. Is this anyhow portrayed in the mod? Well, the division among the republicans, yes, sure. More than that... I don't even name a single politician, or party, in the mod.
Ok, it's the point of view which I can understand
But... :wink:
but the reason for the war was the colossal political errors of the republican government, which despite being supposed to be a broad representation of society, allowed itself to be dominated by extreme and radical elements - eg. a series of political murders within a few months before the outbreak of the revolt in Morocco
The victims of these attacks were moderate right-wing politicians, not any fascists, in addition, attacks on the Catholic church, private property, general anarchization of the country, etc.
Simply put - the left side of the political scene wanted to carry out a communist revolution without the support of the majority of the nation - Kremlin agents sought to Sovietise Spain through the strategy of creating the so-called People's Fronts (the next would be France, BTW in 1940, French communists sabotaged armament factories at the Kremlin's order to help Hitler, Stalin's "ally")
I can understand Franco and other generals that they wanted to end the anarchy in which Spain was submerged under inept Republican rule

But... to be completely clear, Franco and Falangists were also not a good option
and of course, this civil war was a true tragedy for Spain

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by drewboy30 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:55 pm

LNDavoust wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:17 pm
drewboy30 wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:09 pm
Downloaded this and tried to run the game. None of the scenarios load and the MOD screen sticks and takes you no further !

Am I missing something here ???
Hi, drewboy30!

The mod did work in a dozen (or so) computers, so the good news it's that it also should work in your system. Let's see if i can help you :)

If I understood you correctly, you can choose the mod in the first screen but the game freezes after in the main screen. So, here it freezes:

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Correct? A couple of questions:

-Did you download the last version (there are two links, one of them of a previous version who caused problems to some people)?

-Have you tried succesfully any other OoB Mod? Do you have at least one bought DLC (could be wrong, but i think you need at least one of this to run mods)?

-Do you have the last OoB version (8.3.0) installed?

-Did you try to run the mod with a different language? The mod works only in english, i'm afraid.
Hi there :) .. sorry for the delay in response.

To answer your questions ..

I downloaded v0.45 which I think is the correct latest version.

Yes it displays that picture. There it stops and the picture displays no links at all it is simply a picture.

Yes I have OOB v8.3.0 installed.

I only run games in English.

I have the MOD for Battle of Britain and that works fine.

I am running the game via Steam and have all the DLC's. Running on a Mac airbook on macOS Catalina v10.15.3

I have had some issues with the scenario editor which has spontaneously failed to load one of my scenario's. It also started to throw system errors causing the Mac to crash and restart. I have deleted and reinstalled the game and it is now fairly stable again albeit somehow it is causing the well known Mac problem of seeming to loose the iCloud login and causing normal games to crash out. I have removed your Mod for the moment pending your reply.

Best wishes.

Drew

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by GabeKnight » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:35 pm

drewboy30 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:55 pm
I am running the game via Steam and have all the DLC's. Running on a Mac airbook on macOS Catalina v10.15.3
No clue about bugs with MacOS, sorry.

But you can try this (if applicable with TSP): delete the \settings folder out of the MOD folder.

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by drewboy30 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:04 am

Ok no worries .. I will try to work it out.

I shall give your suggestion a go as well.

Thanks :)

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by LNDavoust » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:58 am

terminator wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:34 am
You’re right the masks work with unique_scenarios = true :D
Hooray! 8)
Igor1941 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:48 am
For information, not propaganda The Communists have 24% in democratic elections ... and they banned them 1917г. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_C ... t_Assembly
Not sure what are you trying to say this time, sorry, Igor. I do think that the stalinism was a totalitarian regime, as i said before, so you preach to the chorus in that regard. If your trying to imply that Franco saved Spain from bolshevism (which was the main mantra of the spanish military dictatorship during its 40 years), as I said in the 1936 spanish elections (before the civil war) the communists had the 3,5% of the popular vote (also information, not propaganda) and was Franco's war which pushed the revolutionary left towards the stalinism because of the reasons stated before. There were left revolutionaries in Spain before the war, yes, but they were mainly anarchists and socialists, not communists. And speaking of those...
kondi754 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:31 pm

Ok, it's the point of view which I can understand
But... :wink:
but the reason for the war was the colossal political errors of the republican government, which despite being supposed to be a broad representation of society, allowed itself to be dominated by extreme and radical elements - eg. a series of political murders within a few months before the outbreak of the revolt in Morocco
The victims of these attacks were moderate right-wing politicians, not any fascists, in addition, attacks on the Catholic church, private property, general anarchization of the country, etc.
Simply put - the left side of the political scene wanted to carry out a communist revolution without the support of the majority of the nation - Kremlin agents sought to Sovietise Spain through the strategy of creating the so-called People's Fronts (the next would be France, BTW in 1940, French communists sabotaged armament factories at the Kremlin's order to help Hitler, Stalin's "ally")
I can understand Franco and other generals that they wanted to end the anarchy in which Spain was submerged under inept Republican rule

But... to be completely clear, Franco and Falangists were also not a good option
and of course, this civil war was a true tragedy for Spain
I agree that the political violence was a problem for the Republic, even eroding its legitimacy before the war and I also agree that the Republic mistakes were a huge factor in the unchaining of the conflict. But I have never been able to follow the logic of the argument that a Civil War followed by the political extermination of thousands of men and women plus forty years of dictatorship is in any war the solution (or a lesser evil) to those mistakes (not saying that that's your argument). Therefore (and again I suspect here is when we think differently again) the lesser evil WAS the Republic and the "so-called" People's Front :) As far as i know, the role of the soviet agents in the creation of the People's Front was quite minor. Again, the communists were a very minor power in Spain at the moment, and one thing is what Stalin wanted and other what really was happening :) The People's Front was created as a reaction to the previous victory of the right's parties, who ruled in a reactionary (although perfectly legal) way during two years in the Republic regime. If you review the members of the 1936 government you will see a lot of moderate left politicians, so, again, I don’t see that pre-bolshevik government. The left policies during the republic were also quite reasonable (and legal), again, with only minor problems. For example, there were numerous legislative initiatives towards the erasing of the church's privileges, (i guess is no surprise to anyone that the church was a big thing is Spain then) which seem perfectly fine from nowadays perspective. The violence against the church was never institutional, although it was punctually tolerated (bad, not discussion about that). So no church was burned by the Republic, although the Republic was partially responsible for not being able to stop the extremists/protect their citizens. But again, I fail to see how a civil war started by the rebel side and that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths is the lesser evil in this situation. Again, some data: in the previous 6 months to the conflict, there were around 200 mortal victims in the whole country due to the political violence (both on the left and the right). In the 3 years of war, around 700.000 *shrug*


drewboy30 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:55 pm
Hi there :) .. sorry for the delay in response.

To answer your questions ..

I downloaded v0.45 which I think is the correct latest version.

Yes it displays that picture. There it stops and the picture displays no links at all it is simply a picture.

Yes I have OOB v8.3.0 installed.

I only run games in English.

I have the MOD for Battle of Britain and that works fine.

I am running the game via Steam and have all the DLC's. Running on a Mac airbook on macOS Catalina v10.15.3

I have had some issues with the scenario editor which has spontaneously failed to load one of my scenario's. It also started to throw system errors causing the Mac to crash and restart. I have deleted and reinstalled the game and it is now fairly stable again albeit somehow it is causing the well known Mac problem of seeming to loose the iCloud login and causing normal games to crash out. I have removed your Mod for the moment pending your reply.

Best wishes.

Drew
Hi again, drewboy!

Ok, the last version of the mod is the 0.45a. There is a previous version (0.45) also linked in the same page. I dunno if that could be the problem, but if you download again the mod, make sure you try the 0.45a. Other people had problems loading the 0.45 version.

Gabe’s advice is good. Sometimes the options.dat could be poison. Besides, since the mod/game doesn’t even load properly the main screen in your computer, i would say that the problem should be in some kind of initial setup… thing. So if you try again the mod you should definitely delete the folder.

Let me know if you solve the problem. I’m still optimistic, but i have to say that i think you are the first mac user trying the mod, so i guess it could be possible that somehow the OS could make things more difficult...

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by LNDavoust » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:11 am

Also, I almost forgot to show up my proudest creation up to the moment :)

Behold, the mighty Circus Krone :)

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Yep, that's a real unit in the mod; quite historical, also.

I have a mod with an actual flying circus on it. A dream come true :)

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by Igor1941 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:39 am

LNDavoust wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:58 am

Igor1941 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:48 am
For information, not propaganda The Communists have 24% in democratic elections ... and they banned them 1917г. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_C ... t_Assembly
Not sure what are you trying to say this time, sorry, Igor. I do think that the stalinism was a totalitarian regime, as i said before, so you preach to the chorus in that regard. If your trying to imply that Franco saved Spain from bolshevism (which was the main mantra of the spanish military dictatorship during its 40 years), as I said in the 1936 spanish elections (before the civil war) the communists had the 3,5% of the popular vote (also information, not propaganda) and was Franco's war which pushed the revolutionary left towards the stalinism because of the reasons stated before. There were left revolutionaries in Spain before the war, yes, but they were mainly anarchists and socialists, not communists. And speaking of those...


This is not Stalinism, this is military communism ... Stalinism began in 1928 after the folding of the NEP ...
Communism is evil

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by kondi754 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:43 pm

Aside from political sympathies, one cannot say that Republicans were nice people which sometimes made mistakes and nationalists were just evil. This is ridiculous.
Both of them had great support in society. Franco wouldn't have won the civil war against the whole nation, only with the Legion Condor, a corps of Italian volunteers and Moroccan units on his side. He won because significant percent of the nation was behind him, and at the end of the civil war even most of the nation.
We should also remember that most people don't have political views, they just want to live in peace so that their families are safe, and they don't care whether they are ruled by communists, fascists or international corporations… :wink:
I read a little about Spain before the civil war but I know the situation was much more serious, and the Republicans definitely didn't cope with it

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by LNDavoust » Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:37 pm

Franco had a lot of popular support behind him, no question, as Hitler did, but i cannot agree with the premise that the two sides were morally equivalent, sorry. There were two international totalitarims clashing in Spain, yes, but the spanish people was not a passive element. They had an imperfect but working democratic system, they had expressed a valid will 6 months before the war broke, and a criminal and illegal militar uprising pushed everything into a nighmare of blood during three years. To sum up my position, the spanish civil war is not that different to the world war 2 factions: you have some expansive militarists with theocracy and tradicionalist zealots at one side, and democracies of every flavour with the communists at the other. No side was perfect, no side was the perfect evil neither, there were notable exceptions at both sides and most of the people was just caught in the middle, but yeah, my personal prefence is quite clear.

Anyway, i won't press much further into the topic, at least not here or now. As I said what personally concerns me at the moment is to recreate the tone that the Aristrocrats used in their official campaigns, which i think could serve marvellously to invite people to research further in their own way the conflict. And that's what I'm trying to do :)

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by Mascarenhas » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:08 pm

And you should be praised for that.

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by kondi754 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:05 pm

LNDavoust wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:37 pm

Anyway, i won't press much further into the topic, at least not here or now. As I said what personally concerns me at the moment is to recreate the tone that the Aristrocrats used in their official campaigns, which i think could serve marvellously to invite people to research further in their own way the conflict. And that's what I'm trying to do :)
I'll play your campaign with great pleasure
I wish you all the best with your project

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by LNDavoust » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:16 pm

Thanks both of you :)

I'm eager to launch the next version, it will have some interesnting stuff, hopefully fun too :twisted:

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Re: Spanish Civil War Mod & Campaign (v0.45)

Post by bru888 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:36 pm

LNDavoust wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:37 pm
Franco had a lot of popular support behind him, no question, as Hitler did, but i cannot agree with the premise that the two sides were morally equivalent, sorry. There were two international totalitarims clashing in Spain, yes, but the spanish people was not a passive element. They had an imperfect but working democratic system, they had expressed a valid will 6 months before the war broke, and a criminal and illegal militar uprising pushed everything into a nighmare of blood during three years. To sum up my position, the spanish civil war is not that different to the world war 2 factions: you have some expansive militarists with theocracy and tradicionalist zealots at one side, and democracies of every flavour with the communists at the other. No side was perfect, no side was the perfect evil neither, there were notable exceptions at both sides and most of the people was just caught in the middle, but yeah, my personal prefence is quite clear.
Personally, I am dreading what occurred in Spain in the 1930's happening in the United States in the 2020's.
- Bru

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